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Offline jassi

Re: The boxes ticked by prime suspect Brueckner
« Reply #510 on: March 23, 2022, 09:16:23 AM »
When was the last time Operation Grange is on record as saying anything; you appear to have made up your own mind about the interpretation of recent newspaper speculative articles.

Officially - Brueckner is suspected of being a child murderer.

Nothing to do with recent announcement.

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January 25, 2022, 10:54:25 AM  I wrote -

Oh  if Brueckner is ruled out, the way forward is quite clear.

The Germans will say they know he did it but not enough evidence to convict,  move the goalposts & attempt to get him for something else.

OG will say they are happy with the Germans' conclusion, state they are not looking for anyone else and quietly pack up - honour satisfied  & all that.

McCann will continue the pretense that  Madeleine is alive and well and unharmed and just waiting to be found.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The boxes ticked by prime suspect Brueckner
« Reply #511 on: March 23, 2022, 09:36:22 AM »
Nothing to do with recent announcement.

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January 25, 2022, 10:54:25 AM  I wrote -

Oh  if Brueckner is ruled out, the way forward is quite clear.

The Germans will say they know he did it but not enough evidence to convict,  move the goalposts & attempt to get him for something else.

OG will say they are happy with the Germans' conclusion, state they are not looking for anyone else and quietly pack up - honour satisfied  & all that.

McCann will continue the pretense that  Madeleine is alive and well and unharmed and just waiting to be found.
Wow, you mean you haven’t changed your (rather tedious) opinion in two whole months?  Astonishing!
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The boxes ticked by prime suspect Brueckner
« Reply #512 on: March 23, 2022, 09:43:45 AM »
Nothing to do with recent announcement.

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January 25, 2022, 10:54:25 AM  I wrote -

Oh  if Brueckner is ruled out, the way forward is quite clear.

The Germans will say they know he did it but not enough evidence to convict,  move the goalposts & attempt to get him for something else.

OG will say they are happy with the Germans' conclusion, state they are not looking for anyone else and quietly pack up - honour satisfied  & all that.

McCann will continue the pretense that  Madeleine is alive and well and unharmed and just waiting to be found.

Leaving this question about Operation Grange
;

"And the question still remains – were the authorities and the Government justified in spending years and many millions looking for one little lost girl?"
https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1584735/Madeleine-McCann-kidnap-portugal-praia-de-luz

Will someone finally have to explain exactly how it was decided that an abduction had occured?
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Offline Brietta

Re: The boxes ticked by prime suspect Brueckner
« Reply #513 on: March 23, 2022, 09:49:38 AM »
Nothing to do with recent announcement.

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January 25, 2022, 10:54:25 AM  I wrote -

Oh  if Brueckner is ruled out, the way forward is quite clear.

The Germans will say they know he did it but not enough evidence to convict,  move the goalposts & attempt to get him for something else.

OG will say they are happy with the Germans' conclusion, state they are not looking for anyone else and quietly pack up - honour satisfied  & all that.

McCann will continue the pretense that  Madeleine is alive and well and unharmed and just waiting to be found.

If Operation Grange investigators do not make a request for further funding, it means they don't need it as they have come to the end of the investigative trail.

I think the German investigation has reached that stage also and I believe that will have a different outcome to that envisaged by you.

You seem to have been caught up in what passes for 'honour' in Portugal; I don't think the objective was ever saving face; I think the objective has always been finding out what happened to Madeleine McCann and perhaps recovering her.
I think the Germans hold that information and I think Scotland Yard is privy to it.  Just a waiting game now as we await in hope of very different outcomes.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline The General

Re: The boxes ticked by prime suspect Brueckner
« Reply #514 on: March 23, 2022, 09:52:21 AM »
Reeeeealy 🙄

Groundhog day and tiresome (as is yours) ~ but more importantly ~ entirely OFF TOPIC (as is yours)

Let's make the resolution for today ~ we all aim for on topic posts or ones which are as close as possible.
You're just jealous because you've never won post of the day.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2022, 09:55:55 AM by The General »
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Offline Brietta

Re: The boxes ticked by prime suspect Brueckner
« Reply #515 on: March 23, 2022, 10:06:18 AM »
Leaving this question about Operation Grange
;

"And the question still remains – were the authorities and the Government justified in spending years and many millions looking for one little lost girl?"
https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1584735/Madeleine-McCann-kidnap-portugal-praia-de-luz

Will someone finally have to explain exactly how it was decided that an abduction had occured?

In 2020, German authorities announced they had a suspect, the convicted paedophile, Christian Brueckner – currently in jail for raping an elderly woman – who had been tracked to the crime scene in Praia da Luz on the night Madeleine disappeared.

German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters says German police have strong evidence that he killed Madeleine but German Law prevents him from releasing it.

Maybe this is why it’s finally been decided to halt the investigation.


https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1584735/Madeleine-McCann-kidnap-portugal-praia-de-luz


Nobody appears to be criticising the police for following the stranger abduction lead - only the high cost of working on active leads being followed in the effort to achieve justice for a missing child.

Your philosophy would appear to be that there is no justification in actively pursuing a case which is turning up evidence and a suspect for the crime.

Do you propose we suspend all criminal investigations using that yardstick - or do you confine the suggestion of the forces of law and order abrogating their duty in the face of evidence being actively recovered and a suspect uncovered as a result - solely in the case of Madeleine McCann.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2022, 10:08:41 AM by Brietta »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline The General

Re: The boxes ticked by prime suspect Brueckner
« Reply #516 on: March 23, 2022, 10:11:30 AM »
In 2020, German authorities announced they had a suspect, the convicted paedophile, Christian Brueckner – currently in jail for raping an elderly woman – who had been tracked to the crime scene in Praia da Luz on the night Madeleine disappeared.

German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters says German police have strong evidence that he killed Madeleine but German Law prevents him from releasing it.

Maybe this is why it’s finally been decided to halt the investigation.


https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1584735/Madeleine-McCann-kidnap-portugal-praia-de-luz


Nobody appears to be criticising the police for following the stranger abduction lead - only the high cost of working on active leads being followed in the effort to achieve justice for a missing child.

Your philosophy would appear to be that there is no justification in actively pursuing a case which is turning up evidence and a suspect for the crime.

Do you propose we suspend all criminal investigations using that yardstick - or do you confine the suggestion of the forces of law and order abrogating their duty in the face of evidence being actively recovered and a suspect uncovered as a result - solely in the case of Madeleine McCann.
Why do you think he hasn't been arrested?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The boxes ticked by prime suspect Brueckner
« Reply #517 on: March 23, 2022, 10:16:39 AM »
Why do you think he hasn't been arrested?

Theres no thinking about it.. Wolters has said
Disclosure .. Double jeopardy

Offline The General

Re: The boxes ticked by prime suspect Brueckner
« Reply #518 on: March 23, 2022, 10:34:18 AM »
Theres no thinking about it.. Wolters has said
Disclosure .. Double jeopardy
Possibly. I don't think so, but it's a possibility. But having no faith in your own evidence, to the point that you can't disclose it to the defence, is akin to having no evidence, or legally as good as.
He stated that he doesn't want the defence to know where the focus of their attention is / was, thereby negating the possibility of them investigating themselves and constructing an alibi. That may have been the case once, but I will guarantee that the defence know exactly what they have and don't have, nearly 2 years on.
That tactic, in my opinion, is time bound. And I believe he really thought he would have it all wrapped up within weeks of proclaiming CB as prime suspect.

Now it's clearly over, but all is not lost. This evidence he is searching for is, IMMHO, unobtainable or not physical, but by not charging him he can keep the pot simmering on the back burner. Plus, he can always proclaim that he did it - forever. He probably doesn't even need to back that assertion up, he can just refer to the 'evidence' that hasn't been tested.
He's still toast. He'll be found penning press releases for a local paper in Paderborn about cabbages, or sausages or cabbage and sausages.
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Offline Brietta

Re: The boxes ticked by prime suspect Brueckner
« Reply #519 on: March 23, 2022, 10:46:49 AM »
Why do you think he hasn't been arrested?

Davel has given the official explanation of why not.

Added to that is the fact they don't have to do anything - they are in no rush.  Brueckner who is the prime suspect in Madeleine's disappearance is safely under lock and key for the next few years, as the result of other crime convictions.

They are sensibly taking their time to get all the evidence in place and to imagine that Scotland Yard are unaware of what most of that consists of is I think the result of wishful thinking.
Considering they have been working hand in glove since Brueckner's cover broke in 2017.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: The boxes ticked by prime suspect Brueckner
« Reply #520 on: March 23, 2022, 10:49:17 AM »
Possibly. I don't think so, but it's a possibility. But having no faith in your own evidence, to the point that you can't disclose it to the defence, is akin to having no evidence, or legally as good as.
He stated that he doesn't want the defence to know where the focus of their attention is / was, thereby negating the possibility of them investigating themselves and constructing an alibi. That may have been the case once, but I will guarantee that the defence know exactly what they have and don't have, nearly 2 years on.
That tactic, in my opinion, is time bound. And I believe he really thought he would have it all wrapped up within weeks of proclaiming CB as prime suspect.

Now it's clearly over, but all is not lost. This evidence he is searching for is, IMMHO, unobtainable or not physical, but by not charging him he can keep the pot simmering on the back burner. Plus, he can always proclaim that he did it - forever. He probably doesn't even need to back that assertion up, he can just refer to the 'evidence' that hasn't been tested.
He's still toast. He'll be found penning press releases for a local paper in Paderborn about cabbages, or sausages or cabbage and sausages.

I'm surprised there's been nothing said by Wolters about the suggestion that CB may never be charged. He was allegedly so accessible previously; journalists have frequently quoted him.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The boxes ticked by prime suspect Brueckner
« Reply #521 on: March 23, 2022, 11:06:25 AM »
In 2020, German authorities announced they had a suspect, the convicted paedophile, Christian Brueckner – currently in jail for raping an elderly woman – who had been tracked to the crime scene in Praia da Luz on the night Madeleine disappeared.

German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters says German police have strong evidence that he killed Madeleine but German Law prevents him from releasing it.

Maybe this is why it’s finally been decided to halt the investigation.


https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1584735/Madeleine-McCann-kidnap-portugal-praia-de-luz


Nobody appears to be criticising the police for following the stranger abduction lead - only the high cost of working on active leads being followed in the effort to achieve justice for a missing child.

Your philosophy would appear to be that there is no justification in actively pursuing a case which is turning up evidence and a suspect for the crime.

Do you propose we suspend all criminal investigations using that yardstick - or do you confine the suggestion of the forces of law and order abrogating their duty in the face of evidence being actively recovered and a suspect uncovered as a result - solely in the case of Madeleine McCann.

Unequivocal evidence of stranger abduction might justify spending £13M over 11 years to follow leads. Without that evidence it could be said that resources were wasted.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The boxes ticked by prime suspect Brueckner
« Reply #522 on: March 23, 2022, 11:09:59 AM »
I'm surprised there's been nothing said by Wolters about the suggestion that CB may never be charged. He was allegedly so accessible previously; journalists have frequently quoted him.
Who has suggested CB may never be charged? 
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The boxes ticked by prime suspect Brueckner
« Reply #523 on: March 23, 2022, 11:13:14 AM »
Unequivocal evidence of stranger abduction might justify spending £13M over 11 years to follow leads. Without that evidence it could be said that resources were wasted.
If there were leads to investigate which suggested Madeleine was abducted would you have had them remain uninvestigated in case they didn't lead to proof that she had been abducted?  Would you have preferred the £13m to have been spent staking out Rothley instead? 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline The General

Re: The boxes ticked by prime suspect Brueckner
« Reply #524 on: March 23, 2022, 11:21:20 AM »
I'm surprised there's been nothing said by Wolters about the suggestion that CB may never be charged. He was allegedly so accessible previously; journalists have frequently quoted him.
Jutta Rabbe's faux pas put paid to weekly press briefings. It smacks of a curly finger moment for HCW.
Talking of accessible; how accessible does your prime suspect need to be? HCW seemingly has CB in primo positioni, in custody, with 30% of the population who care convinced he went a done it.
Imagine if he was at large, on the lam, at liberty, AWOL - HCW would need a change of kecks every hour. Having said that, if CB wasn't in custody he'd be in custody - he'd have to arrest him -  then Hans would be well and truly snookered.
It's over. It will be consigned to infinite legal limbo. Those poor parents; they'll never get closure thanks to HCW, because the world stopped looking for Maddie, which, ironically, was an accusation they levelled at Dr. Amaral.
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