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Offline Gummybear

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2022, 12:43:36 AM »
"FINGERNAIL scrapings of murdered schoolgirl Jodi Jones were among the pieces of evidence illicitly taken by cops to destroy, we can reveal.

The key samples would likely have contained DNA from her convicted killer Luke Mitchell if she tried to fight him off."

Fingernail scrapings are potentially highly probative pieces of evidence.  One reason for this is that several studies have measured how frequently foreign DNA is found underneath fingernails under ordinary circumstances.

Jodi clearly didn’t fight Luke off or there would have been marks on him and he would have had her DNA on him. If I remember correctly the police DID take his clothes and swab him from head to toe did they not? Why bin DNA that can prove you right? That would not happen come on. They have something to hide and no matter what your opinion is there is no explaining this in any other way than cleaning up their mess to save themselves. You are that obsessed with Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes being frauds that you can’t see the wood from the trees. I dont particularly like them myself but I won’t dismiss details just because I dislike them. Illegally Preventing more advanced testing of evidence speaks volumes to me, especially when you are under suspicion of setting the whole thing up. The police know this is too big to allow the truth so they prevent it from ever becoming known. The police are guilty of corruption in this case and I am looking forward to the denials on this forum when it is forensically proven that someone else killed Jodie. Or maybe you will all say nothing who knows. This page should be renamed “The Sandra and Scott show” forget about them and ask yourself could this be possible or are we In denial because of our dislike for the two above ???  *%87

Offline Gummybear

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2022, 12:51:10 AM »
Thanks for your input. I'm glad you got that of your chest.

Retesting has been done, you need to ask your leader to publish the SCCRC report from the last appeal, or the one before that, i'm sure its in them somewhere  8((()*/

Now, until the Mitchell's can prove they were not lying every step of the way. They have failed to do so. Luke will continue to spend most if not all his life behind bars. This is the truth you seek, right?

There is no point in blabbering on about prosecutors having nothing. They got the job done in front of a jury. The case is now closed !!!!

Leader ?? Wrong person here. No one leads me. I form my own opinion. You must be rolling about with joy that Luke is being prevented illegally from proving you wrong. When “Mitchell” proves you wrong you will still spew your bullshit one way or another. Keep your Leans and Forbes to yourself and don’t involve me in your obsession with them. You can’t take a real interaction from a real member without accusing of being Lean or Forbes. Change the narrative because quite frankly yes it’s boring. 

Offline Rusty

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #47 on: December 03, 2022, 01:14:06 AM »
Ok Gummybear. I get it, you are bored with us living in denial. So why exactly are you here? Did you have one too many tonight? And feeling braver to get all your rantings and ravings off your chest? I'll tell them type attitude?

Anyway, none of your rantings changes the fact, the Mitchell's lied, innocent families do not need to lie. 

Offline Gummybear

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #48 on: December 03, 2022, 01:27:01 AM »
One would appear to be very annoyed. Very  defensive  aren’t we ?  @)(++(*  &^&*%

Offline Mr Apples

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2022, 03:14:04 AM »
Both articles -- from The Sun and Daily Express respectively -- are sensationalist and deliberately vague and ambiguous. It seems nothing has actually been destroyed yet. Neither of them state when the scrapings from Jodi's fingernails were confiscated and when exactly they were disposed of or due to be disposed of (of course, there is a strong inference it was all in the recent past -- within the last 2 years -- and not 18/19 years ago). With potentially crucial DNA evidence such as this (Jodi's fingernail scrapings), I'm sure everything was thoroughly analysed with the best equipment at the time -- in 2003/2004 -- and then again by the SCCRC between 2012-2014. Nothing incriminating was found. Not from LM or a stranger. I suppose one could argue that L&BP leaving the body exposed to the elements and rain for 8 full hours could've potentially lost vital evidence -- vital evidence that could've incriminated LM or someone else. The rain undoubtedly rendered a lot of the DNA useless; the rain would've degraded and contaminated the DNA, and hence the numerous inconclusive, non-reportable results, as well as the numerous mixed profiles (as well as the innocent transfer of DNA from other people who'd been in that woodland strip prior to 30.06.03, and innocent transfer from wildlife). So, discussing the DNA in this case, while interesting, is futile (and hence why the Prosecution had to build an extremely robust circumstantial case). I'm sure L&BP would've, in hindsight, covered the body up more quickly after the photographer got done with his work for the SOC, so as to preserve what could've been vital DNA evidence. There's also the difficulty that, as there was so much of Jodi's blood at the SOC, that it could've wiped out every other trace of DNA that may have been present (for example, the perpetrator's fingerprints, saliva or semen). I don't think there is anything sinister in them wanting to discard the fingernail scrapings; I think the crown and l&bp are 100 % confident that LM did it (further reinforced by LM's 3 subsequent failed appeals and the fact the dna, including these fingernail scrapings, was retested by the sccrc in 2012-2014 and nothing was found). While retesting said fingernail scrapings wouldn't do any harm, I think most people think it is pointless and are lijely asking themselves: "How many chances and appeals do you need, Luke?". I personally think all DNA samples should be retained until the convicted is deceased, but anyway ........

As for the burnt clothes, refer to the above. Same applies.

A parka jacket being found at another house? Yawn. Clutching at straws, imo

MK's college essays? See above. Yawn.

Verdict: LM's still as guilty as sin. Must do better.

Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #50 on: December 03, 2022, 01:14:22 PM »
Scott Forbes lies and makes things up


Here is what Mark Kane Aka Mr Rabbit said about him
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Sandra Lean is a bully as well as a liar. I was one of the so called accused, not a shred of evidence against me except a statement from a man who has a severe criminal record that has since came to light. I knew all about it from the start I knew it would eventually catch up with him and Sandra Lean. Anytime I contacted her on the 'Luke Mitchell' is innocent website she got right onto her cronies and I would receive death threats over the phone, be visited n public places by he man with the long and hash criminal record who would make threats against and my family. He even went to my mothers door, she is her Sixties and disabled  just to show me she could be got at! What type of human being does such a thing? He assaulted me in full view of half a dozen people after I had left a comment on Ms.Leans web pag. All of this I reported to the police. Just to set a couple of things straight I never had big cuts on my face the day after the murder I had a tiny scratch is all, he did not drive me to the police station the day after and he never said what amount of money we would get but he did say we would get money if we spoke to the press and get a wee holiday out of it. I never wanted anything to do with it it was sick, the man bullied me. He got a holiday out of it as the daily record accidentally used his name as the suspect he got just over a grand in damages. I have never received anything for the mental anguish myself and family have been through. I think he was merely a puppet in Sandra Leans games which have now came to a head but I'm still stuck with totally untrue accusations against me and haven't even received a sorry let alone anything else. I knew about his criminal past but I never mentioned it, I never spoke to reporters, which he wanted me to. He used to make jokes about it and him and him only ever brought it up as you know it was nearly 4 years before he came forward after a falling out between us, the police didn't take him serious and he gave a high court statement Han is all lies and I have many witness that can back that up. He bullied me after he had went to the police, trying to keep me in line and watch who I spoke to but I just didn't want anything to do with it god I wasn't even sure he was telling the truth about talking to the police cause like I said he used to make jokes about it. If they haughty they were right then how come whenever I questioned Sandra lean she would get right on to him to go and do her dirty work which was harass me. I have a load of witness to prove everything he said is a lie that's why I was never worried. I just think it's shocking that a man can take half truths, 3rd hand stories and just lies then go to the police with this rubbish and before you know it my name is on the 6 o'clock news, in newspapers giving totally false information about me and iv never received any type of closure or apology or anything from the people involved. Maybe karma has just taken it's time he's been exposed for the violent criminal who done jail for armed robbery and Sandra Lean, not for the first time, is wrong. I went through hell and back because of them but I'm not going to waste my life looking for revenge I knew in time it would all come out. Here's to the innocent among us, don't let the b........s grind you down.

The SCCRC also knows Scott Forbes lies and make things up

It sounds like the SCCRC located a copy of Mark Kane’s essay during their review
« Last Edit: December 03, 2022, 01:19:41 PM by Nicholas »
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #51 on: December 03, 2022, 01:26:46 PM »
This 👇is what con-artist Sandra Lean has done to all those people she’s duped into her, and the killer and his mother’s innocence fraud

”They've been lied to, manipulated, misled, their recall influenced

Where’s the evidence for this 👇 Sandra Lean

We know the police were telling people from the second day that they "knew" Luke was the killer and were just gathering the evidence to prove it.

Quote
Mrs Jones twice visited Mr Mitchells’s home. The first time was to comfort him, she said. The second visit was after police searched the Mitchell’s household.

“There was something I had to ask him. It had been in my mind all week”,

 she said.

“Why did you not phone me back that night”

He said
“Because I thought you had grounded her”

However, she told the court there was no way he could have thought she was grounded.   

IF the police (involved in the investigation) “were telling people from the second day that they “knew” Luke was the killer and were just gathering evidence to prove it” why would the Jones/Walker family be the last people to be told this?

Are you referring to ‘police’  like RosieRubble073 - who commented here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo

Luke was "arrested" (as the public saw it), his house searched in a blaze of publicity, even though they had NOTHING to suggest he was involved”

The police had a mountain of his lies Sandra Lean all very much suggesting he had been ‘involved’

Not only his lies but the lies of his mother and brother Shane and Corinne Mitchell

the rest was hidden ... and now, almost 20 years on

Killer Luke Mitchell and his mother and brothers statements and transcripts have been ‘hidden’ by them and con-artist Sandra Lean
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Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #52 on: December 03, 2022, 01:30:01 PM »
Anyway, none of your rantings changes the fact, the Mitchell's lied, innocent families do not need to lie.
One, everyone lies all of the time.  By itself, lying may have either some probative value or none at all; each instance has to be examined individually.  Two, the police told some whoppers in this case.  By your logic, their lies disprove their case.
EDT
I also think that using failed appeals as evidence of guilt is unconvincing.  Lindy Chamberlain lost all of her appeals and was only found to be innocent after a fluke discovery of Azaria's clothing by a dingo lair.  Cameron Todd Willingham had about ten appeals and lost all of them.  Yet one top fire investigator after another has rubbished the case against him, and his case is used as an object lesson in how not to do an investigation.  Even when an appeal is successful, it sometimes has relied on an element of chance, but that is a topic for another day.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #53 on: December 03, 2022, 01:59:19 PM »
One, everyone lies all of the time.  By itself, lying may have either some probative value or none at all; each instance has to be examined individually.  Two, the police told some whoppers in this case.  By your logic, their lies disprove their case.
EDT
I also think that using failed appeals as evidence of guilt is unconvincing.  Lindy Chamberlain lost all of her appeals and was only found to be innocent by a fluke discovery of Azaria's clothing by a dingo lair.  Cameron Todd Willingham had about ten appeals and lost all of them.  Yet one top fire investigator after another has rubbished the case against him, and his case is used as an object lesson in how not to do an investigation.  Even when an appeal is successful, it sometimes has relied on an element of chance, but that is a topic for another day.

You didn’t mention the Birmingham 6 pub bombers

“…the longer this hearing has gone on the more convinced this court has become that the verdict of the jury was correct” ~ Lord Lane
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Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #54 on: December 03, 2022, 02:11:05 PM »
Stuart Dempsey
The jones know who done it. Wish everyone would open there eyes and ears and listen to the whole case.  It’s going to be difficult with janine being in the police now Also the uncles who are or were in tbe police at the time of the murder. The whole case is a joke he should be released now


 *&^^&

Stuart Dempsey
Mary Thompson I certainly wouldn’t be sitting quiet if I believed it was luke. The jones haven’t even made a comment about anything. You’d think they’d want to correct things.   Oh sorry they can’t correct things cause they are the only ones who knows who done it or atleast got a suspicion of who it was. The whole case is a mess. I can’t believe the police have got rid of so much dna including Jodys swabs from her nails. It’s mind boggling


Foolish Stuart Dempsey Follows Michelle Moore & ‘Balls Of Steel’ Scott Forbes
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/01/killer-luke-mitchell-foolish-stuart-dempsey-follows-toxic-abuser-michelle-moore-balls-of-steel-scott-forbes-part-113/
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Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2022, 02:17:46 PM »
Dawn Potten
Well done Sandra the police In Britten are all bent

Darren Carson
Why do you think that they have stayed quite and out the public eye 👁 🤔 cause luke was used as a scape goat by the Jones they know who done just like we do


 *&^^&
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Rusty

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #56 on: December 03, 2022, 03:01:04 PM »
One, everyone lies all of the time.

So, by your logic, what reason did the Mitchell's have to lie all of them time?

Offline Mr Apples

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #57 on: December 03, 2022, 03:48:48 PM »
Scott Forbes lies and makes things up


Here is what Mark Kane Aka Mr Rabbit said about him
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The SCCRC also knows Scott Forbes lies and make things up

It sounds like the SCCRC located a copy of Mark Kane’s essay during their review

It seems that MK's DNA was, in fact, taken pre-trial and compared against the DNA found at the crime scene. Nothing incriminating was found, so MK was ruled out early on (see cites below). Also, MK was nothing like LM: he was about a foot taller, was 8 years older and his hair, while being similar in colour, bore no resemblance to LM's style of haircut; LM's hair, as described by AB, was sandy, messy, shoulder-length and sticking up in a clump at the back like the character Shaggy from the 2002 Scooby Doo movie (AB was specific about LM's hairstyle when describing it to police, and specifically compared it to the Shaggy character from that 2002 Scooby Doo movie). MK's hair was never shoulder-length. It's also worth mentioning that LM and Jodi loved Nirvana (Nirvana was actually Jodi's number one favourite band), whose lead singer, Kurt Cobain, had that shoulder-length, messy sandy hair. LM was obviously trying to emulate that Kurt Cobain image -- an image that a lot of teenage girls loved and which LM pulled off successfully (and hence why he was so popular with the girls of his age at the time).

Btw, isn't it also true that MK was captured on cctv miles away from Dalkeith on the afternoon and late afternoon of 30.06.03? And isn't it also true that, when he was actually back in Dalkeith on 30.06.03, he was captured on an off-licence cctv buying alcohol shortly before closing time (2200 hrs)? And this same cctv footage showed that MK didn't have scratches on his face that SF harps on about (in other words, any scratches on his face must've been inflicted after Jodi was murdered)?

Okay, all of the above doesn't prove categorically that he couldn't have done it, but, it does, imo, prove it was highly unlikely that he had done it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7259126.stm

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/MITCHELL%27S+LAWYERS+HUNT+FOR+WITNESSES%3B+Killer+returns+to+court.-a0173857409



Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #58 on: December 03, 2022, 04:14:23 PM »
It seems that MK's DNA was, in fact, taken pre-trial and compared against the DNA found at the crime scene. Nothing incriminating was found, so MK was ruled out early on (see cites below).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7259126.stm

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/MITCHELL%27S+LAWYERS+HUNT+FOR+WITNESSES%3B+Killer+returns+to+court.-a0173857409

It also heard how Mr Kane had been pestered and threatened by another man who claimed a confession to the killing would bring them big rewards.

Mr Beckett quoted from a statement Mr Kane, from Stirling, had given to police about the activities of Scott Forbes - the man who put defence lawyers on Mr Kane's trail.

Mr Kane told the officers that Mr Forbes had been pestering him for a week after press reports in December about a possible new suspect.



Did con-artist Sandra Lean include any of this in her second book?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #59 on: December 03, 2022, 04:29:03 PM »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7259126.stm


 Did Sandra Lean, or Corinne Mitchell initiate Scott Forbes threats and intimidatory actions towards Mark Kane?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation