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Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #60 on: December 03, 2022, 04:42:24 PM »
It seems that MK's DNA was, in fact, taken pre-trial and compared against the DNA found at the crime scene. Nothing incriminating was found, so MK was ruled out early on (see cites below).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7259126.stm

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/MITCHELL%27S+LAWYERS+HUNT+FOR+WITNESSES%3B+Killer+returns+to+court.-a0173857409

Was innocent Mark Kane’s DNA eliminated around the same time as innocent James Falconers, as opposed pre-trial?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #61 on: December 03, 2022, 06:01:24 PM »
Did Sandra Lean, or Corinne Mitchell initiate Scott Forbes threats and intimidatory actions towards Mark Kane?

Excerpt from con-artist Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke (p.104)

More than a year after the guilty verdict, as the defence team were preparing to appeal, the existence of unidentified DNA was once again raised”

2006 - the year warped minded fantasist Scott Forbes went to Scot Caravan’s and met with liar Corinne Mitchell

Eventually documents were released which clarified the situation - in spite of police claims during the initial investigation that there had been no DNA at the scene which had been unaccounted for, it now emerged that there had always been one DNA sample that remained unidentified.

Just prior to this book going to press, further witness statements, pointing to another, far more credible suspect were passed to the defence. The police claimed that these statements had not been followed up because the case was “closed”.


What statements exactly was con-artist Sandra Lean referring to?

And where is the evidence that these alleged statements ‘had not been followed up because the case was “closed”?

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Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Mr Apples

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #62 on: December 03, 2022, 07:05:34 PM »
Was innocent Mark Kane’s DNA eliminated around the same time as innocent James Falconers, as opposed

Don't know exactly when MK's DNA was eliminated, but, having re-read that BBC piece, the inference is that it was indeed post-trial (like JAMF's was) and not pre-trial as I had initially interpreted.

Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #63 on: December 03, 2022, 07:06:44 PM »
In the 1987 appeal involving the Birmingham Six, some of the many forensic errors began to be uncovered; IIRC critical pages were shown to have been torn out of a laboratory notebook at this time (which fits in nicely with the theme of this thread).  However, Lord Lane and the other presiding judges were oblivious.*  The six were ultimately exonerated; however, the case was obviously flawed from the beginning.  When five of them were first detained, one of them said to the authorities words to the effect, "Can you let our friend Paddy Joe Hill, who went ahead of us, know that we will catch up with him when we can?"  Would hardened IRA men have voluntarily given up one of their own?

This case, along with the related cases of the Maguire Seven, the Guildford Four, and Judith Ward, are a national embarrassment.  The Lindy Chamberlain case is a national embarrassment.  The Todd Willingham case is a national embarrassment...
EDT
*Gareth Peirce wrote, "When the court rejected the appeal, commenting "the longer this hearing has gone on, the more convinced this court has become that the verdict of the jury was correct", the men's expectations of immediate release were in smithereens, but so too was the reputation of British justice."
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Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #64 on: December 03, 2022, 07:57:51 PM »
In the 1987 appeal involving the Birmingham Six, some of the many forensic errors began to be uncovered; IIRC critical pages were shown to have been torn out of a laboratory notebook at this time (which fits in nicely with the theme of this thread)

Hardly evidence of innocence
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #65 on: December 03, 2022, 08:02:19 PM »
When five of them were first detained, one of them said to the authorities words to the effect, "Can you let our friend Paddy Joe Hill, who went ahead of us, know that we will catch up with him when we can?"  Would hardened IRA men have voluntarily given up one of their own?

Was that William Power
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #66 on: December 03, 2022, 08:09:01 PM »
Here is a bit more (see also my edit upthread) from Gareth Peirce, one of the attorneys who helped undo the interlocking wrongful convictions of the Birmingham Six and the Guildford Four:  "But in the end, it was the simplest of stupidities that concluded the matter. As the members of the serious crime squad had written (and rewritten) their false accounts, indentations on the pages underneath revealed how their books had been altered. Revelations of the efficacy of the forensic test in proving similar fabrications led to the disappearance from police storage in the West Midlands of dozens of potentially problematic notebooks. But for the Birmingham Six, their failed appeal in 1987 had secured for them one unexpected advantage; the notebooks in their case had been retrieved before the appeal, and retained by a separate police force, Devon and Cornwall. And so it finally came about that the six men emerged into the world." (italics mine)
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Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #67 on: December 03, 2022, 08:17:48 PM »
And so it finally came about that the six men emerged into the world."

and have yet to prove they were actually, factually innocent ..
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #68 on: December 03, 2022, 08:34:12 PM »
Paddy Joe Hill

His steak and kidney pie broke allegedly and he got gravy all over his hands - making them greasy

Wonder what his wife and kids ate that day?
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Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #69 on: December 03, 2022, 08:39:55 PM »
the Birmingham Six

Why do you think Paddy Joe Hill told the police he’d been on his own at Birmingham train station?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #70 on: December 03, 2022, 10:17:20 PM »
Both articles -- from The Sun and Daily Express respectively -- are sensationalist and deliberately vague and ambiguous.

And one of the articles quoted convicted fraudster Euan McIlvride

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https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=f00d87a6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
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Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Guiltyascharged

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #71 on: December 04, 2022, 12:45:39 PM »
And one of the articles quoted convicted fraudster Euan McIlvride

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https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=f00d87a6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7

I seen this mentioned in a article he commented on, similar to what's getting said now.

"A spokesman for the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission said “We reviewed Mr Gilroy’s case and concluded there was no reason to believe there to have been a miscarriage of justice.”

A spokeswoman for COPFS said that while the law states evidence must be retained until a convict is released from custody in England and Wales, there is no such law in Scotland. “David Gilroy was convicted of murder and his appeal and application to the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission were unsuccessful. As such there is no legal basis for COPFS to retain the productions relating to this case,” she said."

Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #72 on: December 04, 2022, 01:08:27 PM »
I seen this mentioned in a article he commented on, similar to what's getting said now.

"A spokesman for the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission said “We reviewed Mr Gilroy’s case and concluded there was no reason to believe there to have been a miscarriage of justice.”

A spokeswoman for COPFS said that while the law states evidence must be retained until a convict is released from custody in England and Wales, there is no such law in Scotland. “David Gilroy was convicted of murder and his appeal and application to the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission were unsuccessful. As such there is no legal basis for COPFS to retain the productions relating to this case,” she said."

Yep same innocence fraud tactics
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Parky41

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #73 on: December 04, 2022, 04:03:35 PM »
I do wonder, holding on to everything for so long, long past dates, officers and legal bodies no doubt retiring, taken the time to tie off loose ends of cases marked 'solved' But wouldn't it be just like the thing, of a convicted killer going all out in this smear-campaign, the police, the witnesses, his lawyers, the judges, the PF's, the forensic teams, all attacked and smeared. If they have now thought due to this very smear-campaign by Mitchell, to say enough. Get it signed off and disposed of or returned. Where again his own actions are having the opposite effect. - Just a thought?

Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #74 on: December 04, 2022, 04:54:26 PM »
Sandra Lean
How much more can the Scottish Justice system take?
 The Alex Salmond fiasco - the First Minister Nicola Sturgeon misled the committee, the Scottish Government breached its own guidelines,
The Rangers Football Club wrongful prosecutions, about which, Russell Findlay said, "This toxic episode saw innocent men targeted, it has contaminated Scottish justice and there may be more pay outs, yet absolutely no-one has been held to account
The recent Rhys Bonner outcome that police mishandled complaints
The Sheku Bayoh inquiry
Where is the accountability?


Ref: Russell Findlay
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Miscarriages of justice charity stripped of lottery funding
“A charity that fights wrongful convictions has had its National Lottery funding stopped and is being probed by the Scottish Government over concerns about how it is run.
The Miscarriage of Justice Organisation - known as MOJO - was awarded £120,000 by the lottery's community fund but the offer has been withdrawn.
A National Lottery Community Fund spokesperson said: "Due to ongoing governance issues, we are unable to provide MOJO with funding at this time. We welcome a further conversation with them once these issues have been addressed.
"The decision to offer the award of £120,000 was made in April 2019. Our formal withdrawal letter was issued this week."
Glasgow-based MOJO was formed by Paddy Hill, one of six men wrongly convicted of the IRA pub bombings in Birmingham in 1975.
MOJO is due to receive £105,000 of taxpayers' money from the Scottish Government this year with at least as much agreed for each of the next two years.
The government's criminal justice division has begun an investigation, with a spokesman saying: "The Scottish Government provides funding to MOJO Scotland to provide support to people who may have suffered a miscarriage of justice.
"Concerns have been raised with us about their governance and management structures, which are currently subject to an investigation."
Hill launched the charity in 2001 and it is run by volunteers and two paid employees. One of them, Paul McLaughlin, is on sick leave. He declined to comment.
Management committee member Colin Grant said: "It's got to the stage now where I think MOJO has possibly gone too far, I think it's possibly imploded so much it may well be beyond salvation.
My understanding is that a charity which is receiving public funds needs to have an independent management committee to oversee how these funds are being used to make sure they are being used properly and at the moment there isn't a functioning management committee there."
Scottish Lib Dem leader Willie Rennie MSP, a MOJO director since 2011, didn't respond to an STV News interview request.
Governance issues arose in April when volunteer and "head of legal" Euan McIlvride attempted to change the charity's constitution.
Management committee members, including company secretary and director Billy McAllister, blocked the move and called for independent legal advice.
McAllister also raised concerns about whether it would be appropriate to offer paid employment to McIlvride due to a previous conviction for embezzlement while working as a solicitor.
Three new directors were appointed - including Hill's partner Tara Babel - and McAllister was voted out while on holiday.
Grant said after the April meeting "all hell broke loose", adding: "Billy, who has been a director of the organisation and secretary, was summarily dismissed without any consultation [and] the co-project manager Paul McLaughlin was effectively demoted.
"The lottery funding which we'd been promised was stopped. The lottery fund decided to not give us any more money because of the problems we were having within the organisation structurally.
"The Scottish Government have now launched an investigation into how MOJO is being run and none of that was communicated to the management committee - we all learned this from outside sources."
McIlvride told STV News McAllister was removed "entirely in compliance with the relevant legislation" and because of "serious failures and misconduct in the exercise of his roles... and for separate misconduct in the form of bullying and intimidation of staff and volunteers in the organisation".
He added: "It is entirely untrue to suggest, as you appear to do, that Mr McAllister was removed as a result of his raising concerns about myself. My entire history was disclosed to MOJO... in advance of my volunteering with the organisation."
McAllister, who denies the allegations, said: "I think they saw me as the main instigator to getting the concerns raised and they went after me. I have been forced out without any due process and I feel bitter about that because I've given seven or eight years of my time for nothing.
"As a famous football manager once said, there's no man bigger than the club and I think I said that to them - the organisation was bigger than any one person.
"I would like MOJO to return to how it was... an open, democratic and accountable structure."
Grant added: "One of the most ironic things about MOJO is that it was set up to try and provide victims of miscarriage of justice with a voice and yet the way it's been behaving with regard to Billy McAllister and Paul McLaughlin shows that it doesn't actually practise what it preaches because it's denied them justice."
Hill also declined to be interviewed but in a statement said McIlvride "made no secret" of his conviction and called him "honest and reliable".
He added: "As far as our clients are concerned, many have expressed their gratitude for all of Mr McIlvride's efforts in helping them and have confidence in the work he is undertaking on their behalf."
McIlvride was convicted of fraud and embezzlement but some charges were later overturned on appeal.
He said: "Given that I spent a period of time in prison as a result of miscarriage of justice, I personally think that my experience is one which enhances my suitability for the role that I exercise with this organisation."
'Giving false hope to people'
A campaigner fighting to overturn a high-profile murder conviction has accused MOJO of betraying potential miscarriages of justice victims.
Dr Sandra Lean said it was "really exciting" when MOJO asked to get involved with Luke Mitchell case two years ago.
Mitchell was jailed for the 2003 murder of Jodi Jones, 14, but continues to protest his innocence.
Lean said: "It was really exciting news. It looked like the case was getting picked up again, it looked like there was going to be some real progress here."
However, last month Mitchell's mother Corinne blasted MOJO for "doing nothing" since taking on her son's case and recovered his case files from their office.
Lean told STV News: "Part of the problem was the promises being made were not being kept. The case review itself was something of a farce. There was no central strategy. There was no planned route to how this review was going to take place.
"The idea of having the Luke Mitchell case, this huge case on their books, was good publicity for them."
The campaigners say that the alleged failings may have harmed Mitchell's case.
Lean added: "I was going to say it's a disaster but if they're not doing the work, they're giving false hope to people and that, in the circumstances these people are in, that it shocking, that is dreadful.
"I believe that some real damage has been done. There are a couple of things that should have been acted on very quickly, that were not and in spite of a number of promptings, a number of questions, a number of attempts to get something done, there just didn't seem to be the will to do what needed doing and some of that now means that routes forward that should have been available may no longer be available."
In response, McIlvride said: "We are aware of the criticism recently levelled at us by Mrs Corrine Mitchell.
"We do not consider it justified, but would not propose to rehearse the arguments in the context of what is, essentially, an unwarranted attack on myself, and, worse, the charity, by parties who are motivated to do us harm."
https://stv.tv/news/west-central/1439054-miscarriages-of-justice-charity-stripped-of-lottery-funding/

Four detectives from elite anti-terrorist unit are facing corruption probe over claims of fraud
by Russell Findlay June 2013

FOUR detectives who worked for an elite unit which targets terrorists are at the centre of a
corruption probe.
Detective Sergeant John Sallens, 48, and three Major Investigation Team colleagues have been reported to Crown Office prosecutors who will decide if they should stand trial.
The others are constables Geoff Fisher, 48, Michael Neil, 43, and Lynn McConnachie, 42.
All four were based at the MIT office in Glasgow’s high-security Govan police station

Read more: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/four-detectives-elite-anti-terrorist-unit-1941239

Russell Findlay also wrote and published articles on psychopathic killers Joe Steeel and Thomas Campbell claiming they didn’t commit the crimes https://twitter.com/RussellFindlay1/status/1145689825447763968

Neither convicted killers ever proved their actual, factual innocence!

”Foolish Stuart Dempsey Follow’s Toxic Abuser Michelle Moore & ‘Balls Of Steel’ Scott Forbes..”
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/01/killer-luke-mitchell-foolish-stuart-dempsey-follows-toxic-abuser-michelle-moore-balls-of-steel-scott-forbes-part-113/

Russell Findlay also wrote and published the innocence fraud grift of David Wilson on Margaret McLaughlin’s killer George Beattie (the case/campaign has all the usual hallmarks/red flags)


Why hasn’t Russell Findlay ever called out innocence fraud ?
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Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation