Look at how wide that pavement is for JT to pass without being seen 8-)(--)
4078 “Okay. So when did you first notice Gerry standing there?”
Reply “I would have probably noticed him as soon as I came, I mean, I don’t, this is not, I don’t think that distance is probably as far as that, you come out and he was, they were sort of, so almost, I’d probably say almost straight away.
Again, I don’t know, but I, I know people are saying I’ve not been on the road, but they were there and
I wouldn’t know they were there if I hadn’t walked past, you know, you’ve got to see my frustration in this, and
I know Gerry didn’t see me and Jez didn’t see me, but”.
4078 “You were there?”
Reply “They were there and I was there”
4078 “And can you remember, as you past them or thought to acknowledge them, then you noticed they were deep in conversation, can you remember which angle you saw them from, which way they were facing?”
Reply “No, I, phew, again, I would probably guess
Gerry’s back was more towards me, because I would have thought if I’d have seen him I would have definitely probably stopped and said ‘Oh you’re in trouble, you’ve been long, we think you’ve been watching the footy’, you know, but. Because I think that’s almost when I went to acknowledge them, that’s almost what went through my head, you know, is
to sort of give a bit of abuse about the fact he’d been so long, but. So I would imagine his, maybe his back was to me, but. And, again, in that way, that would make more sense, because I don’t know Jez, so it’s not like I would have gone ‘Oh hi Jez’, you know, that way, so. Yeah, I, I honestly, I can’t remember now which way they were. But I do, I stand by the fact I’m sure they were nearer than right over here”
4078 “Okay. And did you hear what they were saying?”
Reply “No. No, not really. Not that I can remember”.
4078 “
Were there any cars around there?”
Reply “Erm, umm, no,
I don’t know. I don’t remember. I don’t remember walking past any going up here and I think I would have probably, if there had been I would have realised, because that would have obscured my view of the person walking, so I can’t think of,
I can’t think of any, no”.
4078 “So as you are trying to remember it and you can think of yourself walking up that road and you have gone past Gerry and Jez”.
Reply “Umm”.
4078 “Are you conscious of any other movement?”
Reply “It’s, it’s too long now. Erm, no, not really. I mean, I was just walking up, you know, I was like just sort of on a, not on a mission, but I was just like, you know, on the way to, to check, so I didn’t notice anything either side. The only thing I noticed a movement was when somebody walked across at the top”.
4078 “Go on to tell me about that then as slowly as you can?”
Reply “Yes, erm, I was, I think I was nearing the top of the road, it’s a bit of a, I’m trying to think how, but I can’t really remember how much of a hill it is, but it is definitely a hill going up there, and just as I got to the top somebody did walk across. And the thing that really struck me was the, erm, the bare feet.
Reply “Yeah, that is, erm, and I think at that point I did think as well, the way they were dressed wasn’t quite touristy. As I say, I mean, I looked a right state because I’d got Russell’s big jumper on, cropped trousers and flip-flips and, yeah, it was quite, you know, sort of cold and, and they looked more like they were prepared for the weather, you know, sort of thing. And I think when Jez, I think
Jez had probably got shorts on and, you know, a jumper or something, and looked more like. He just didn’t look quite like a, you know, a tourist, I suppose, or, so”.
4078 “Okay”.
Reply “So really, you know, at the time, I thought. And I think I did actually think ‘Oh a bit odd’, but never in a million years would I have thought ‘That’s Madeleine’. And I think, well Gerry was standing on the bloomin’ road, so I thought he’d, not thought, he’d just, he had just checked, you know, I thought he’d just checked”.
4078 “If you had have thought that was Madeleine at the time you would have said?”
Reply “Well, yeah, if I’d have thought, yeah, you know, if I’d have seen it was Madeleine you’d have, you know, I’m not going to go ‘Oh there goes Madeleine’, you know, I would have shouted”.
