Author Topic: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!  (Read 462630 times)

0 Members and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.

Alfred R Jones

  • Guest
So do I understand this correctly? It was a fabricated alibi to finetune a genuine alibi which already existed for the time of a sighting which didn't exist because it too was fabricated?
Except it wasn't a fabricated sighting because it actually happened as the man carrying the child could have verified at any point after JT gave her statement.

Offline pegasus

Except it wasn't a fabricated sighting because it actually happened as the man carrying the child could have verified at any point after JT gave her statement.
Yes the witness is completely telling the truth IMO.
I still haven't seen a consistent alternative offered by anyone.
 

Offline pegasus

All this debate about 4 adults at street level during the chat.
Meanwhile, above, is the most important person.

Offline pegasus

Where was the child, while the chat was happening below?


Offline pathfinder73

And we are asked to accept your opinion that it is possible without evidence ?
I live up a private road owned by me and two neighbours. The road is roughly 80m x 5m with no lighting. At night I could be deeply engrossed in conversation with one neighbour and the other would not be able to pass undetected. The scenario JT postulates is improbable. [ moderated ]

If they didn't refuse to do a reconstruction then it would've been proven it was not possible to pass at that spot. Maybe somebody was somewhere else at 9.10 and was talking in fact to Jez at 9.05. Who knows but every minute is important in the timeline. The reason for the long absence away from the table is meeting Jez but he said they were only talking for as little as 3 minutes. That doesn't make up the time he was absent!
« Last Edit: May 07, 2014, 09:32:23 PM by John »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

The chat in Mr Amarals film is very briefly observed by the child actress from a window IIRC.

ferryman

  • Guest
I have passed my own sister, within about 10 yards, in a shopping mal.

She was engrossed in conversation with a man in a wheelchair.

I stood and watched them for about 30 seconds, before my sister finally registered I was there.

If I'd just kept on walking, neither would ever have known ...
« Last Edit: May 07, 2014, 09:21:59 PM by ferryman »

icabodcrane

  • Guest
I have passed my own sister, within about 10 yards, in a shopping mal.

She was engrossed in conversation with a man in a wheelchair.

I stood and watched them for about 30 seconds, before my sister finally registered I was there.

If I'd just kept on walking, neither would ever have known ...

In a shopping mall, in daylight,   with lots of people milling about  ...  quite possible

But on an otherwise deserted street  ...  on a still and quiet evening  ?   

Your sister would have noticed you then ...  you know she would   (   engrossed in conversation or not  )

Cornelius

  • Guest
If you can point me to any scientific evidence which states categorically that it is not possible to walk up a dimly lit street past two men deep in conversation and not be noticed then I'll accept your point without further ado. 

In fact, I'll accept your point now for argument's sake.  OK, I agree -  it's totally and utterly impossible what Jane said happened, so if she's not a liar then obviously she's mistaken.  So, what was she mistaken about?  She didn't see Gerry and Jez?  Well how did she know they were there then?  Because Gerry told her later?  And so she somehow imagined she'd actually seen them even though she hadn't?  Or was she mistaken about seeing the man carrying the child?  The one that every doubter thought she'd made up only it turns out a guy matching his description did pass by at around the time she said she saw him, and was carrying a child.  What was she mistaken about?

I have covered the bits about being mistaken with you about a week or so ago.
I would refer you the standard screening test for deafness of children which I also posted about a week ago with no response.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2014, 09:42:37 PM by John »

Offline John

Posters are reminded of the rules relating to defamations and potential libels.  Posts referring to anyone as a liar or of telling lies will be removed on sight.  Repeat offenders will be censured.  TY
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Alfred R Jones

  • Guest
Read this and then tell me it is utterly impossible for Jez and Gerry mot to have seen JT:

The most effective cloaking device is the human mind

By Daniel Simons
SMITHSONIAN MAGAZINE | SUBSCRIBE
SEPTEMBER 2012
13 6 1 1 15 1 1.6K
13 6 1 15    1 1.6K
For more than a decade, my colleagues and I have been studying a form of invisibility known as inattentional blindness. In our best-known demonstration, we showed people a video and asked them to count how many times three basketball players wearing white shirts passed a ball. After about 30 seconds, a woman in a gorilla suit sauntered into the scene, faced the camera, thumped her chest and walked away. Half the viewers missed her. In fact, some people looked right at the gorilla and did not see it.

That video was an Internet sensation. So, in 2010, I decided to make a sequel. This time viewers were expecting the gorilla to make an appearance. And it did. But the viewers were so focused on watching for the gorilla that they overlooked other unexpected events, such as the curtain in the background changing color.

How could they miss something right before their eyes? This form of invisibility depends not on the limits of the eye, but on the limits of the mind. We consciously see only a small subset of our visual world, and when our attention is focused on one thing, we fail to notice other, unexpected things around us—including those we might want to see.

Consider, for instance, a famous 1995 incident in which police were in hot pursuit of four suspects driving away from the scene of a shooting. After cornering the suspects, the first police officer on the scene, Michael Cox, chased one of them on foot. Other officers arriving on the scene mistakenly thought Cox was a suspect and beat him. Meanwhile, another officer, Kenny Conley, had taken up pursuit of the same suspect and ran right past the altercation. Conley claimed not to have seen Cox or his assailants, and he was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice.

Conley’s conviction raised an intriguing legal issue: Could an eyewitness actually fail to notice an assault like that one? Last year, psychology professor Christopher Chabris and I decided to put Conley’s alibi to the test. Although we could not simulate a high-speed police pursuit, we could extract the most critical element: Conley’s focus on pursuing a suspect. In our experiment, we asked participants to jog behind an assistant and count the number of times he touched his hat. As they jogged, they ran past a staged fight in which two men appeared to be beating a third. Even in broad daylight, over 40 percent missed the fight. At night, 65 percent missed it. In light of such data, Conley’s statement that he didn’t even see Cox or his assailants was plausible.

Indeed, most of us are unaware of the limits of our attention—and therein lies the real danger. For instance, we may talk on the phone and drive because we are mistakenly convinced that we would notice a sudden event, such as a car stopping short in front of us.

Inattentional blindness does have an upside. Our ability to ignore distractions around us allows us to retain our focus. Just don’t expect your partner to be charitably disposed when your focus on the television renders her or him invisible.

FROM THIS STORY

VIDEO: The Monkey Business Illusion
 
PHOTO GALLERY



Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/but-did-you-see-the-gorilla-the-problem-with-inattentional-blindness-17339778/#RopXSoAxEogfefe5.99
Give the gift of Smithsonian magazine for only $12! http://bit.ly/1cGUiGv
Follow us: @SmithsonianMag on Twitter

Cariad

  • Guest
Read this and then tell me it is utterly impossible for Jez and Gerry mot to have seen JT:

The most effective cloaking device is the human mind

By Daniel Simons
SMITHSONIAN MAGAZINE | SUBSCRIBE
SEPTEMBER 2012
13 6 1 1 15 1 1.6K
13 6 1 15    1 1.6K
For more than a decade, my colleagues and I have been studying a form of invisibility known as inattentional blindness. In our best-known demonstration, we showed people a video and asked them to count how many times three basketball players wearing white shirts passed a ball. After about 30 seconds, a woman in a gorilla suit sauntered into the scene, faced the camera, thumped her chest and walked away. Half the viewers missed her. In fact, some people looked right at the gorilla and did not see it.

That video was an Internet sensation. So, in 2010, I decided to make a sequel. This time viewers were expecting the gorilla to make an appearance. And it did. But the viewers were so focused on watching for the gorilla that they overlooked other unexpected events, such as the curtain in the background changing color.

How could they miss something right before their eyes? This form of invisibility depends not on the limits of the eye, but on the limits of the mind. We consciously see only a small subset of our visual world, and when our attention is focused on one thing, we fail to notice other, unexpected things around us—including those we might want to see.

Consider, for instance, a famous 1995 incident in which police were in hot pursuit of four suspects driving away from the scene of a shooting. After cornering the suspects, the first police officer on the scene, Michael Cox, chased one of them on foot. Other officers arriving on the scene mistakenly thought Cox was a suspect and beat him. Meanwhile, another officer, Kenny Conley, had taken up pursuit of the same suspect and ran right past the altercation. Conley claimed not to have seen Cox or his assailants, and he was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice.

Conley’s conviction raised an intriguing legal issue: Could an eyewitness actually fail to notice an assault like that one? Last year, psychology professor Christopher Chabris and I decided to put Conley’s alibi to the test. Although we could not simulate a high-speed police pursuit, we could extract the most critical element: Conley’s focus on pursuing a suspect. In our experiment, we asked participants to jog behind an assistant and count the number of times he touched his hat. As they jogged, they ran past a staged fight in which two men appeared to be beating a third. Even in broad daylight, over 40 percent missed the fight. At night, 65 percent missed it. In light of such data, Conley’s statement that he didn’t even see Cox or his assailants was plausible.

Indeed, most of us are unaware of the limits of our attention—and therein lies the real danger. For instance, we may talk on the phone and drive because we are mistakenly convinced that we would notice a sudden event, such as a car stopping short in front of us.

Inattentional blindness does have an upside. Our ability to ignore distractions around us allows us to retain our focus. Just don’t expect your partner to be charitably disposed when your focus on the television renders her or him invisible.

FROM THIS STORY

VIDEO: The Monkey Business Illusion
 
PHOTO GALLERY



Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/but-did-you-see-the-gorilla-the-problem-with-inattentional-blindness-17339778/#RopXSoAxEogfefe5.99
Give the gift of Smithsonian magazine for only $12! http://bit.ly/1cGUiGv
Follow us: @SmithsonianMag on Twitter

I'd've put up the video myself. It makes the point much better.

It's possible that they both missed the sound of footsteps and the movement as she walked passed in an other wise empty street, but if that were the case, their ancestors would probably been eaten by tigers.

 

Alfred R Jones

  • Guest
Was PdL a place known for its dangerous predators when Gerry and Jez were chatting?  I doubt two holidaymakers having a friendly chat were on high alert with regards their environs, but of course I'm sure you experts would know better.

Offline pegasus

Good, this witness as I have said all along, is telling the truth.

BTW is anyone still claiming that flipflops are noisier than other shoes?
If so, when did you actually even hear a flipflop?
.....
long silence

And thanks for the good stuff on visual perception above.

Offline John

Good, this witness as I have said all along, is telling the truth.

BTW is anyone still claiming that flipflops are noisier than other shoes?
If so, when did you actually even hear a flipflop?
.....
long silence

And thanks for the good stuff on visual perception above.

You can walk on flip flops without making a sound if you want to.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.