Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!

[sadie]

I don't care Jane didn't pass Jez. He was adamant about that! He saw her when he first left not when he was chatting to Gerry. She didn't pass him! She may have turned left down the lane because as she said she would've said something to Gerry if she passed him about the football and you can't mistake his voice.

The lane is an alleyway.

In my post above I have given several reasons based on FACTS why he didn't see her.  Additional to those is the fact that this amorphous shape dressed in dark colours in a dimly lit spot, did not even register.

[Anna]

We are singing from the same hymn sheet Anna. I don't think she went down the alley either.

Thank you faith, Sorry if I misunderstood, your post.

[faithlilly]

And, was not JT also adamant that she saw them?

Do you believe, that he would have remembered, the natural reaction of a parent, to check his child, in the few seconds that JT, passed, Faith?

What I do believe is for the Tanner sighting to work we have to embrace credulity wholeheartedly.

[Anna]

What I do believe is for the Tanner sighting to work we have to embrace credulity wholeheartedly.

I agree....At the end of the day, It all boils down to, who you believe, but if the sighting of tannerman ,was all a figment of her imagination, where does crecheman fit in?

[Alice Purjorick]

What I do believe is for the Tanner sighting to work we have to embrace credulity wholeheartedly.

Bump my post #868 on here 01-02-2015 13:59 

[jassi]

If Tannerman is a figment of imagination, then so is Crechman, created by SY for their own purposes.
One reason could be that by doing so, it gets rid of Tannerman without having to say that Tanner was lying.

[sadie]

I don't care Jane didn't pass Jez. He was adamant about that! He saw her when he first left not when he was chatting to Gerry. She didn't pass him! She may have turned left down the lane because as she said she would've said something to Gerry if she passed him about the football and you can't mistake his voice.

i)  where did she say that she would have said something to Gerry about the football?  Please show me where.  Somewhere it was intimated that she didn't care for Gerry really IIRC.  Why would she interrupt a private conversation?

ii)  why would she turn down an unlit alleyway?  As Anna says, alleyways are dangerous for women even in the daylight.  I was accosted in an alleyway as a teenager.  He tried to grab me, but I managed to avoid him.  I was a keen racing cyclist, but it was up a steepish hill in this alleyway.  Even so I was able to swerve around him and get away.

But I have allso had a man try and pull me into a car in a side road in broad daylight.  Fortunately I was pretty fit and put up a good fight.  Got away.

Me, I am paranoid about quiet places, especially after dark if a strange man is behind / near me.

No way would I go down an unlit alleyway and i doubt Jane would either.

[Wonderfulspam]

i)  where did she say that she would have said something to Gerry about the football? Please show me where.  Somewhere it was intimated that she didn't care for Gerry really IIRC.  Why would she interrupt a private conversation?

ii)  why would she turn down an unlit alleyway?  As Anna says, alleyways are dangerous for women even in the daylight.  I was accosted in an alleyway as a teenager.  He tried to grab me, but I managed to avoid him.  I was a keen racing cyclist, but it was up a steepish hill in this alleyway.  Even so I was able to swerve around him and get away.

But I have allso had a man try and pull me into a car in a side road in broad daylight.  Fortunately I was pretty fit and put up a good fight.  Got away.

Me, I am paranoid about quiet places, especially after dark if a strange man is behind / near me.

No way would I go down an unlit alleyway and i doubt Jane would either.

Have you actually bothered reading the statements & rogs?

Mind you, I can appreciate it might be difficult to fit that in amongst your busy schedule of iron working, private detecting, cycling & life drawings.

[faithlilly]

I agree....At the end of the day, It all boils down to, who you believe, but if the sighting of tannerman ,was all a figment of her imagination, where does crecheman fit in?

I think that remains to be seen Anna.

Isn't it strange though that, knowing it was not a warm night and not knowing whether he would be carrying his child or they would be walking some of the way, Crecheman's child had neither shoes nor a jacket/blanket wrapped around them and the same anomaly was seen with Smithman ? Now if SY are playing with a straight bat and Crecheman and Smithman are unconnected how do we explain that ? Is it not a coincidence too far ?

[Anna]

If Tannerman is a figment of imagination, then so is Crechman, created by SY for their own purposes.
One reason could be that by doing so, it gets rid of Tannerman without having to say that Tanner was lying.

Do you believe as has been suggested, by others, that both JT and SY lied?
This suggestion, is just to make the theory of some, work.... that Jane, because she wasn't seen, was never there.

[Anna]

I think that remains to be seen Anna.

Isn't it strange though that, knowing it was not a warm night and not knowing whether he would be carrying his child or they would be walking some of the way, Crecheman's child had neither shoes nor a jacket/blanket wrapped around them and the same anomaly was seen with Smithman ? Now if SY are playing with a straight bat and Crecheman and Smithman are unconnected how do we explain that ? Is it not a coincidence too far ?

Yes, that is a very strange coincidence, Faith. I believe the description came from JT first IIRC.

[sadie]

Have you actually bothered reading the statements & rogs?

Mind you, I can appreciate it might be difficult to fit that in amongst your busy schedule of iron working, private detecting, cycling & life drawings.

Tell us another one jackanory.

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Have read every statement and Rog, everything to do with this scenario and there are anomolies as would be expected.  I have thoroughly analysed them and found three substantial ones that agree.  Why dont you make the effort and do that too?

The position where Gerry and Jez chatted was near the corner of the alleyway,  From the evidence in statements, it was NOT where Gerry thought and It was NOT where you guys keep saying it was. 

Furthermore it was over 30 metres (100 Feet) from the top rioad where Tannerman walked.  Jez could not have seen any man up there and recognised him.

Stop spamming and get your facts right WSPam.

[faithlilly]

Yes, that is a very strange coincidence, Faith. I believe the description came from JT first IIRC.

But I think I'm right in claiming that the Smith's description was given before Tanner's description was publicised.

[Wonderfulspam]

E
Have read every statement and Rog, everything to do with this scenario and there are anomolies as would be expected.  I have thoroughly analysed them and found three substantial ones that agree.  Why dont you make the effort and do that too?

The position where Gerry and Jez chatted was near the corner of the alleyway,  From the evidence in statements, it was NOT where Gerry thought and It was NOT where you guys keep saying it was. 

Furthermore it was over 30 metres (100 Feet) from the top rioad where Tannerman walked.  Jez could not have seen any man up there and recognised him.

Stop spamming and get your facts right WSPam.

i)  where did she say that she would have said something to Gerry about the football? Please show me where.  Somewhere it was intimated that she didn't care for Gerry really IIRC.  Why would she interrupt a private conversation?



4078    “And can you remember, as you past them or thought to acknowledge them, then you noticed they were deep in conversation, can you remember which angle you saw them from, which way they were facing?”
Reply    “No, I, phew, again, I would probably guess Gerry’s back was more towards me, because I would have thought if I’d have seen him I would have definitely probably stopped and said ‘Oh you’re in trouble, you’ve been long, we think you’ve been watching the footy’, you know, but. Because I think that’s almost when I went to acknowledge them, that’s almost what went through my head, you know, is to sort of give a bit of abuse about the fact he’d been so long, but.  So I would imagine his, maybe his back was to me, but.  And, again, in that way, that would make more sense, because I don’t know Jez, so it’s not like I would have gone ‘Oh hi Jez’, you know, that way, so.  Yeah, I, I honestly, I can’t remember now which way they were.  But I do, I stand by the fact I’m sure they were nearer than right over here”.


There.

[faithlilly]

E
Have read every statement and Rog, everything to do with this scenario and there are anomolies as would be expected.  I have thoroughly analysed them and found three substantial ones that agree.  Why dont you make the effort and do that too?

The position where Gerry and Jez chatted was near the corner of the alleyway,  From the evidence in statements, it was NOT where Gerry thought and It was NOT where you guys keep saying it was. 

Furthermore it was over 30 metres (100 Feet) from the top rioad where Tannerman walked.  Jez could not have seen any man up there and recognised him.

Stop spamming and get your facts right WSPam.

The chat took place 5 metres ( some 16 feet ) from the corner of the alleyway. Jez Wilkins says so himself but for the sake of debate what evidence makes you think otherwise ?