Author Topic: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!  (Read 461792 times)

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Offline G-Unit

Would you expect someone who had consumed 3 or 4 glasses of wine to be as aware & observant as you assert in your post?

Jeremy Wilkins or Gerry McCann?
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Offline sadie

Jeremy Wilkins or Gerry McCann?
Possibly both of them but again we just dont know.  We are speculating.

However from the waiters statements we know that not much wine had been consumed at the table by the Tapas group

Offline pathfinder73

How many vehicles were parked on the street?

The place was deserted at that time of night.

4078    “Were there any cars around there?”
Reply    “Erm, umm, no, I don’t know.  I don’t remember.  I don’t remember walking past any going up here and I think I would have probably, if there had been I would have realised, because that would have obscured my view of the person walking, so I can’t think of, I can’t think of any, no”. (JT)

So me and Matt walked back to the, to the, erm, to the flats, erm, this would have been about, about kind of twenty-five past nine, I suppose.  Erm, and as we, you know, it will probably come back to, but as you asked me the other day, I didn’t certainly notice anything particularly strange or different, I didn’t see any cars parked or anyone standing around or loitering. (ROB)

4078 'And would it have been usually to have heard traffic noise at that time of the evening''
Reply 'No, not really, you might get the occasional car come into that car park, but mostly the car park you wouldn't have seen cars in, erm, and it's not really through road, when you look at the map it's sort of like on a 'U', so you've got the, a more main road at the top and one main T-junction to go down at the far end of the two apartment complexes, you didn't really get much through traffic, even going down the hill to the Supermarket there wasn't, there was always car sparked down there, so they must move at some point and there were lots of apartments, people must pass through, but there was never, it was pretty deserted'.

00.45.51 4078 'Hear any cars''
Reply 'No. No, I mean, as I say, it was nearly always completely deserted, there was very few people in the resort, erm, you know, you only rarely saw, you know, occasionally people move about on the street and that was mostly during the day, erm, everybody else seemed to sort of eat earlier or, erm, used the baby sitting or whatever service, there were a few people about between and there wasn't really much of a thoroughfare for, erm, for traffic, so nothing that stuck out'.
 
4078 'In know specifically one of the Portuguese questions was, did you hear footsteps or car doors opening and shutting''
Reply 'No (inaudible)'.

4078 'And all the areas that made a search, with hindsight or at the time, there was nothing that you can think of that might be relevant to''
 
Reply 'No, because as you went on you'd meet other groups, there was Nathan, one of the waterfront people, who managed the waterfront, who we'd met previous on a MARK WARNER holiday, so, you know, you'd sort of cross paths with people who were sort of searching and then, you know, it'd get deserted and there were dogs barking at you as you sort of wandered around, because some of the apartments were occupied and some were still being built, so there was a kind of a bit of, a sort of a lonely sort of isolated place, but, you know, it was all very sort of close, and there was nothing, you know, looking for sort of like funny parked cars or, erm, you know, anything really that seemed a bit odd'. (MO)
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Angelo222

Possibly both of them but again we just dont know.  We are speculating.

However from the waiters statements we know that not much wine had been consumed at the table by the Tapas group


Was it the alcohol which influenced the two wailing Mullah incidents?   Surely two rational sober individuals wouldn't have been capable of such silly behaviour??
« Last Edit: May 17, 2015, 03:06:11 PM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline pegasus

How many vehicles were parked on the street?
On that side of the road there were at least two parked cars between the apartment and tapas reception
"When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left ..... They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry's apartment"

Offline pegasus

Citation please Pegasus.
ROB rog (9.30 check), proves that sound travels easily through a closed window and shutter of same design.
"it was clear listening at the window that .... had woken up"
« Last Edit: May 17, 2015, 05:51:07 PM by pegasus »

Offline Angelo222

One thing is for sure and that is someone was either seriously mistaken or being purposely deceitful.

By two to one that puts Gerry in the frame so which one was it?   Memory freeze per chance?
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One thing is for sure and that is someone was either seriously mistaken or being purposely deceitful.

By two to one that puts Gerry in the frame so which one was it?   Memory freeze per chance?
As we are unable to defame people on this forum then the only answer we can give is that Gerry was mistaken.  End of discussion.

Offline pegasus

One thing is for sure and that is someone was either seriously mistaken or being purposely deceitful.

By two to one that puts Gerry in the frame so which one was it?   Memory freeze per chance?
IMO the chat was near the gate, but the important place is inside the apartment There is a surprising concord on this point between two opposite theories. A main theory in the cuttingedge film claims something important happens inside while the chat is happening outside. And so does a main theory in the verdade film.

Offline Brietta

On that side of the road there were at least two parked cars between the apartment and tapas reception
"When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left ..... They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry's apartment"

Quite ... parked vehicles are something always ignored when discussing sight lines and the position of the individuals concerned.

For example, why did Jez feel secure enough to stand in the road with a pushchair while having a conversation, however brief?  Was it because he was standing behind a parked vehicle.

Perhaps one might even have been the getaway vehicle for someone whose intention had been to exit via the balcony doors, a change in plan being necessitated when that exit was temporarily blocked by Gery and Jez.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Quite ... parked vehicles are something always ignored when discussing sight lines and the position of the individuals concerned.

For example, why did Jez feel secure enough to stand in the road with a pushchair while having a conversation, however brief?  Was it because he was standing behind a parked vehicle.

Perhaps one might even have been the getaway vehicle for someone whose intention had been to exit via the balcony doors, a change in plan being necessitated when that exit was temporarily blocked by Gery and Jez.


Are you saying the Abductor didn't rush out of the jemmied window? Oh...Well, where does that put the abductor then?

We can't get away from the Jane and Gerry not agreeing where they were on what pavenment  and who didn't see who...it wasn't pitch black because Jane saw 'pink' jammies...
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Quite ... parked vehicles are something always ignored when discussing sight lines and the position of the individuals concerned.

For example, why did Jez feel secure enough to stand in the road with a pushchair while having a conversation, however brief?  Was it because he was standing behind a parked vehicle.

Perhaps one might even have been the getaway vehicle for someone whose intention had been to exit via the balcony doors, a change in plan being necessitated when that exit was temporarily blocked by Gery and Jez.

Up until DCI Andy fragged Tannerman the abductor had made good his exit on foot. All of a sudden we have getaway vehicles.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Up until DCI Andy fragged Tannerman the abductor had made good his exit on foot. All of a sudden we have getaway vehicles.

Alice, you have heard that old saying " you couldn't make it up"? well  'they' just do.

We have had the physics challenged: with a man carrying a child out of a small window not managing to leave any DNA not a morsel, but still they believed it and agued that point...then they found a key from someone, then we had a wee truth slip out that the door was unlocked , but still they maintained it was a window job!

Yes, you can make it up.... lol!
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Offline pegasus

Quite ... parked vehicles are something always ignored when discussing sight lines and the position of the individuals concerned.

For example, why did Jez feel secure enough to stand in the road with a pushchair while having a conversation, however brief?  Was it because he was standing behind a parked vehicle.

Perhaps one might even have been the getaway vehicle for someone whose intention had been to exit via the balcony doors, a change in plan being necessitated when that exit was temporarily blocked by Gery and Jez.
It's a pleasure to agree with you about the parked cars Brietta. The Carpenter statement is proof that at about the time of the chat there were at least two parked cars on that side of the road, the first was about 6 metres north of tapas reception, and the second (and maybe more) cars were even closer to chat location than that. The witness had a very good reason for noticing this, it is because he had to cross the road, and the parked cars meant he had to check for traffic more carefully, and that is why he is the one who remembers the cars.

Offline pegasus

It's quite extraordinary how a half-open moving door and an unused window can confuse so many....
It's amazing how there're probably only two peeps who see the obvious solution that it was probably the child who opened the door wider. That's ok, i'm in good company :)