Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!

[mercury]

I wasn't aware that she had described the pyjama top.  Could you clarify please Faith?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm

Description of Child:


- She did not seem to be wrapped up well for the time of night wearing only pyjamas; the trousers were lightly coloured with a floral element, possibly with turn-ups. The top was not well seen though there was thought to be
another colour involved possibly pink

[mercury]

Possibly both of them but again we just dont know.  We are speculating.

However from the waiters statements we know that not much wine had been consumed at the table by the Tapas group

Everyone had a bottle of wine each each night out according to Gerry Mccann. You are right that we are speculating how much was drunk that specific night by 10 pm. It depends on what time they normally went home?

[pathfinder73]

It's amazing how there're probably only two peeps who see the obvious solution that it was probably the child who opened the door wider. That's ok, i'm in good company :)

Is that the same child who was fast asleep in the same position 30 minutes after they left her when Gerry said he was having his proud father moment? You think that child got up within 30 minutes and moved the door? That's quite amazing but I don't believe it for one second.

[slartibartfast]

Everyone had a bottle of wine each each night out according to Gerry Mccann. You are right that we are speculating how much was drunk that specific night by 10 pm. It depends on what time they normally went home?

... No mention of any drinks during the day.

[Miss Taken Identity]

... No mention of any drinks during the day.

Or medication which could react with the alcohol, or recreational drugs which may have been used.

[Brietta]

Are you saying the Abductor didn't rush out of the jemmied window? Oh...Well, where does that put the abductor then?

We can't get away from the Jane and Gerry not agreeing where they were on what pavenment  and who didn't see who...it wasn't pitch black because Jane saw 'pink' jammies...

So what?  Are you under the impression SY and the PJ are sitting in darkened rooms agonising over exactly where Jez and Gerry were standing and the shade of pyjamas ... because I've got news for you, they are not.

Madeleine McCann's case has now progressed into 2015 ...

[Brietta]

Alice, you have heard that old saying " you couldn't make it up"? well  'they' just do.

We have had the physics challenged: with a man carrying a child out of a small window not managing to leave any DNA not a morsel, but still they believed it and agued that point...then they found a key from someone, then we had a wee truth slip out that the door was unlocked , but still they maintained it was a window job!

Yes, you can make it up.... lol!

Mr Amaral did ... but I think the Courts may be catching up with him round about now ... and who knows what is to come.

[Brietta]

Or medication which could react with the alcohol, or recreational drugs which may have been used.

One should never judge others by oneself nor should one make insinuations for which there is no foundation.

[carlymichelle]

One should never judge others by oneself nor should one make insinuations for which there is no foundation.

yet you judge GA?? 

[Miss Taken Identity]

One should never judge others by oneself nor should one make insinuations for which there is no foundation.

Oh I wasn't judging them by me at all. I don't drink or do drugs or smoke or leave my children to be 'abducted'. I am nothing like the McCANN family. Thank goodness.

My reputation is well in tact, I can asssure you of that.

[carlymichelle]

Oh I wasn't judging them by me at all. I don't drink or do drugs or smoke or leave my children to be 'abducted'. I am nothing like the McCANN family. Thank goodness.

My reputation is well in tact, I can asssure you of that.

im glad you would never leave  such small children alone!!!!

[Benice]

Alice, you have heard that old saying " you couldn't make it up"? well  'they' just do.

We have had the physics challenged: with a man carrying a child out of a small window not managing to leave any DNA not a morsel, but still they believed it and agued that point...then they found a key from someone, then we had a wee truth slip out that the door was unlocked , but still they maintained it was a window job!

Yes, you can make it up.... lol!

Why do you keep making this claim?     Having found the window open and their daughter missing - their first thought was that someone had broken into Madeleines bedroom  via the window and taken her.  Not to have believed that at that point  would have been abnormal IMO.         As time went on they realised that there may have been other reasons why the window was opened and that the abductor could have entered via the patio door or had a key to the front door.  Your  claim that they maintain that Madeleine was abducted via the window is simply not true.

The truth didn't 'slip out' about the patio door being unlocked.  Gerry mentioned it in his first interview.

The fact that no evidence was found doesn't mean no evidence ever existed - as it may have been destroyed by the amount of traffic in 5A before the forensic bods arrived. 

In any case not all of the evidence that was collected has been identified as having no bearing on the case.

[Brietta]

yet you judge GA??

                                   Nope ... Judge Maria Emilia de Melo e Castro did that.

[Benice]

yet you judge GA??

No it was the Portuguese courts who judged Amaral and found him guilty of abusing his position as a policeman.

That's why he's got a criminal record and has now been instructed to compensate the McCanns.

[sadie]

Everyone had a bottle of wine each each night out according to Gerry Mccann. You are right that we are speculating how much was drunk that specific night by 10 pm. It depends on what time they normally went home?

The waiter stated that 4 bottles had been opened but that they were not finished IIRC .  Also as they left in a mighty hurry, there would be part filled glasses on the table.

So not so much wine drunk before the 10pm it seems.


You do realise that the wines was free in as miuch as it was included in the holiday price?

On holidays with "free" wine very often you will see opened but almost untouched bottles of wine left on tables after the diners have left.  Many people abuse the "free" wine, but then it usually is YUK.   In a way I cant blame them.   We cant usually drink it


The only thing that we do know is that the Tapas group drank LESS than 4 bottles of wine between 9 of them over the two first courses.  It may have been considerably less; we just dont know. 
That is hardly getting drunk


The original poster who sparked this mini discussion is doing nothing more than SPECULATING
And as usual SPECULATING AGAINST The Mccanns.