Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!

[sadie]

5.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atfDV7imHHY
 

Jane Tanner showing the exact spot where Gerry and Jez were chatting at 10.04.  I suggest that you start at 9.10.
 
Gerry goes on to show what he remembers and it is quite possible that they met in the middle of the road, but with the dangers of that, they moved back to/wards the safety of the pavement by the alleyway.  Jez was still in the road (kerb) according to reports, but Gerry was on the kerbstone edge.   Presumably Jez and the pushchair were protected there by parked cars and he stood in a gap chatting to Gerry
 

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6.

Finally I have tried to read all previous posts on this topic by requesting all posts with the name Jez Wilkins.  I virtually proved that Jez and Gerry chatted on the alleyway corner a coupe of years ago, or so.   However, it appears that all my hard work (and hard work of others) has been wiped
 
Why?
 
 
 
 
Note: 
I am sorry but recently, I  am usually unable to post videos on here for some reason, altho it seems that it might have worked this time.   

I am also unable to open the videos of others.  Punishment for past perceived misdemeanours? ....  I wonder? 
Or possibly getting rid of facts and evidence that helps support Gerrys innocence to substitute dicey information/myths that could implicate The Mccanns?  I wonder?  
 
Thanks to Brietta for posting the Cutting Edge video some posts back, at least I think she posted it, but cannot check that, because it will not open for me.  The same as i cannot check my own video above.   

Please can Admin/John correct this problem?  Thanks in anticipation.
sadie x

[pathfinder73]

5.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atfDV7imHHY
 

Jane Tanner showing the exact spot where Gerry and Jez were chatting at 10.04.  I suggest that you start at 9.10.
 
Gerry goes on to show what he remembers and it is quite possible that they met in the middle of the road, but with the dangers of that, they moved back to/wards the safety of the pavement by the alleyway.  Jez was still in the road (kerb) according to reports, but Gerry was on the kerbstone edge.   Presumably Jez and the pushchair were protected there by parked cars and he stood in a gap chatting to Gerry
 

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Your friend Jane also said Gerry was gone a long time before she left the table. They were talking about him being so long away at the table and Kate said he was probably watching football. We know they said they only had a brief 3 minute chat so if Jane passed them in the middle of their chat, Jane must have left  only 5 minutes after Gerry. 5 minutes is not a long time so can you account for Gerry's long time away from the table before Jane left Sadie?

[pegasus]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P1/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_50.jpg  Jane Tanners map .  [Clearly out of scale with a huge back garden to 5A and a tiny apartment (which is the shaded in portion), but  will suffice]
 
On this map, Jane marks her OWN position, which is adjacent to 5A gate .... and way further down the road she shows where Gerry and Jez were chatting.  They were near the corner of the alleyway NOT at the side gate.

Original map by JT http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P1/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_50.jpg
1. The heavily shaded area is IMO the recess in which the wooden door of 5A is situated.
2. The two asterisks marking the locations of JW and GM are significantly further north than the alleyway.

[pegasus]

As he approached the corner of the McCanns apartment, he saw Gerry appear from the area of the gate. He crossed the road and engaged in general conversation with Gerry. At this time they were stood with Gerry's back to the building near to the gate and Jeremy facing him. Rua Dr Agostino was about 10-15 meters to his right and the pathway leading to the front of the apartment blocks about 5 meters to his left.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm

(snip)
on the same side of the street as block 5 when chatting and he was standing 16 feet north(/b] of the passageway.

Yes, he was standing level with the gate.

[Brietta]

Original map by JT http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P1/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_50.jpg
1. The heavily shaded area is IMO the recess in which the wooden door of 5A is situated.
2. The two asterisks marking the locations of JW and GM are significantly further north than the alleyway.

I think your interpretation of the perspective is as bad as Jane's drawing of it.

The shaded block is obviously meant to represent the apartment - not only the recessed area ... and she is on video being very adamant about where the men were standing when she passed them and that was very close to the entrance of the passageway.

[jassi]

I think your interpretation of the perspective is as bad as Jane's drawing of it.

The shaded block is obviously meant to represent the apartment - not only the recessed area ... and she is on video being very adamant about where the men were standing when she passed them and that was very close to the entrance of the passageway.

Of course it isn't - the scale would be completely wrong and it would make the garden enormous.

[Alice Purjorick]

Jez's sketch and Jane's sketch are just that...sketches. The purpose in the context of giving a statement to be indicative rather than dimensionally accurate. I don't imagine either of them went out with a tape and/or measuring wheel.

[pegasus]

I think your interpretation of the perspective is as bad as Jane's drawing of it.

The shaded block is obviously meant to represent the apartment - not only the recessed area ... and she is on video being very adamant about where the men were standing when she passed them and that was very close to the entrance of the passageway.

Are you seriously suggesting that JT's cartographic skills are so poor that the small darkly shaded rectangle on her map represents the whole of apartment 5A?  There is a doctor on TV who repeatedly shows a large space cunningly fitted inside a tiny space, but I found out recently it is complete fiction and not true at all. I suggest the large lightly shaded area is the building, and the small darkly shaded area is the exterior alcove in which the main door of 5A is recessed.

[G-Unit]

1.  I am sorry Gadfly if you have felt my wrath but to state as fact,  that Gerry and Jez chatted at the gate is sooo wrong.  There is a small amount of stuff that suggests the gate, but it is heavily outweighed by other evidence.
 
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/9of8-ecf89375.gif  Jez wilkins map.   [Clearly out of scale but it will suffice]
 
On this map, Jez unequivocally pinpoints his and Gerry’s position as being exactly on the corner of the alleyway.  There is no going away from the fact that he has shown where they were standing.  Please do no deny that.
 
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Whatever he drew, this is what he said, placing him 16 feet north of the passage or alley;

At this time they were stood with Gerry's back to the building near to the gate and Jeremy facing him. Rua Dr Agostino was about 10-15 meters to his right and the pathway leading to the front of the apartment blocks about 5 meters to his left.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm

[pegasus]

If he was next to the garden gate when holding a conversation with Jeremy Wilkins ... how exactly did he get there?
... (snip)

This appears at first to be difficult to explain, but maybe by careful reading of the statements there is a solution.

[pegasus]

If the chat was level with the gate, what can be deduced from this?

[Brietta]

Jez's sketch and Jane's sketch are just that...sketches. The purpose in the context of giving a statement to be indicative rather than dimensionally accurate. I don't imagine either of them went out with a tape and/or measuring wheel.

I think it is something the PJ would have looked at regarding the possibilities just as a box ticking exercise.  They didn't ignore it, particularly as the question was asked in the rogatory letters.
As you say Jane and Jez made the sketch to illustrate their approximate positions.  If the PJ had thought it essential to have a more accurate sketch they could easily have drafted a properly scaled map for them to indicate approximately where they were.

[Alice Purjorick]

I think it is something the PJ would have looked at regarding the possibilities just as a box ticking exercise.  They didn't ignore it, particularly as the question was asked in the rogatory letters.
As you say Jane and Jez made the sketch to illustrate their approximate positions.  If the PJ had thought it essential to have a more accurate sketch they could easily have drafted a properly scaled map for them to indicate approximately where they were.

Precisely so the cops were happy with the sketches. For all we know the cops did their own drawings to scale
but nine years later folk are arguing about positions on "not to scale" sketches. The locations can be worked out from the text in the statements then plotted to scale. In general terms Jane and Jez thought they were in Peggy's green box and Gerry thought he was on the other side of the road. Someone therefore is mistaken.

[Brietta]

Are you seriously suggesting that JT's cartographic skills are so poor that the small darkly shaded rectangle on her map represents the whole of apartment 5A?  There is a doctor on TV who repeatedly shows a large space cunningly fitted inside a tiny space, but I found out recently it is complete fiction and not true at all. I suggest the large lightly shaded area is the building, and the small darkly shaded area is the exterior alcove in which the main door of 5A is recessed.

It is a plan drawn by someone whose cartographic skills were more concentrated on explaining exactly where she was and where the men were than anything else.
Similarly the small darkly shaded area to which you refer is enormously out of scale ... and in what context would it be in Jane's sketch?  she didn't mention the small recessed doorway in her statement therefore why would she draw only that part of the apartment?

[Gadfly1.3]

So just to re-cap:

Two witnesses place Gerry close to the gate.
Gerry places himself on the other side of the road.

And a summary of the cites.

On one side:
Jeremy Wilkins X2 statements.
Jane Tanner X2 statements.
Jane Tanner in the Channel Four documentary Madeleine Was Here
Map from Wilkins.
Map from Tanner.

On the other side:
Mr Gerry McCann statement
Mr Gerry McCann in the Channel Four documentary Madeleine Was Here