Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Semantics. Whatever the McCanns sued Amaral for they lost the case.

LOL.  I think when it comes to points of law "semantics" are considered pretty damned important.  The courts did NOT say that Amaral hadn't libelled the McCanns so perhaps you could stop your semantic word games.

[Mr Gray]

Semantics. Whatever the McCanns sued Amaral for they lost the case.

its true they lost but its also true that the portuguese included lies in their proven facts...you will b telling me next that the proven facts do not have to be facts or proven

[Vertigo Swirl]

its true they lost but its also true that the portuguese included lies in their proven facts...you will b telling me next that the proven facts do not have to be facts or proven

That's exactly what G-Unit will be telling you:

Her post from October 2018;

He used facts from the investigation. No-one knows if those facts are true or false. In order for the ECHR to decide they would have to investigate the case themselves and then use their own findings.

That isn't within their remit
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7275.msg497499;topicseen#msg497499

[barrier]

its true they lost but its also true that the portuguese included lies in their proven facts...you will b telling me next that the proven facts do not have to be facts or proven

The McCanns accepted the first judgement, points 6 &7 are still there for all to see no one has contested them , they are lies in your opinion, which counts for diddly squat.

[Mr Gray]

The McCanns accepted the first judgement, points 6 &7 are still there for all to see no one has contested them , they are lies in your opinion, which counts for diddly squat.

Gerry did contest them in the first judgement.. You're wrong there

There is no confirmation of cadaver odour being present in 5a.. So it's a lie to claim there was. So you're wrong there

Both my statements are fact.. Not opinion

[G-Unit]

Gerry did contest them in the first judgement.. You're wrong there

There is no confirmation of cadaver odour being present in 5a.. So it's a lie to claim there was. So you're wrong there

Both my statements are fact.. Not opinion

Which the judge answered, as you well know.

[barrier]

Gerry did contest them in the first judgement.. You're wrong there

There is no confirmation of cadaver odour being present in 5a.. So it's a lie to claim there was. So you're wrong there

Both my statements are fact.. Not opinion

I'm talking of the proven facts issued in the first judgement, no one bar yourself is contesting it, who you hope to influence among at best 6 regular posters who knows.

[Mr Gray]

Which the judge answered, as you well know.

yes the judge answerred with..from memory...we are not here to judge the facts of the case...thats FACTS..

that makes the proven facts even more bizarre

[G-Unit]

yes the judge answerred with..from memory...we are not here to judge the facts of the case...thats FACTS..

that makes the proven facts even more bizarre

So is obvious to most people that 'proven facts' doesn't mean 'true facts'.

[John]

So are we all agreed that we have learned very little in the past 16 years about Madeleine's disappearance?

[Mr Gray]

So is obvious to most people that 'proven facts' doesn't mean 'true facts'.

keep digging rthat big hole...people would expect proven facts to be true.Most sceptics if not all beleive that the proven facts re the alerts as true.

[Mr Gray]

So are we all agreed that we have learned very little in the past 16 years about Madeleine's disappearance?

not at all...Ive learnt a lot...not sure about others.

[Vertigo Swirl]

So is obvious to most people that 'proven facts' doesn't mean 'true facts'.

Can you have an untrue fact? 

[Vertigo Swirl]

fact
/fakt/
noun

1.
a thing that is known or proved to be true:

[Vertigo Swirl]

Given that a fact is something that is PROVEN to be TRUE, what is the difference between a PROVEN fact and a TRUE fact?