Author Topic: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?  (Read 287145 times)

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #90 on: February 12, 2023, 10:49:20 PM »
Where did you get the idea that he did?
I didn’t pass comment on that, I simply asked for a cite to the paragraph in Portuguese judgement which states Amaral did not libel the McCanns.  Surely you have it at your fingertips as it is a claim you make very frequently?
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Offline Brietta

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #91 on: February 12, 2023, 10:56:26 PM »
The world seems to be devided between those who already knew that leaving small children alone in an unlocked apartment and those who said, even after the event, that they had, or would have, done the same as the McCanns.

Then there are those who doubt that there was an abduction, despite what must be one of the biggest press campaigns in it's favour ever.

I wonder how many abductions of children from overseas have taken place in holiday resorts?

I have learned in this internet age that whatever may be visited on the individual will be exploited by someone somewhere to to dream up the craziest theories imaginable and feel no shame in hounding victims.

None more exploited than the tragedies of missing and or murdered children.  And that is without exception

One thing that has become apparent from every and any human tragedy are the individuals who crawl out of the woodwork in sheer ecstasy at the opportunity to apportion blame while wallowing vicariously in events affecting others and all the while with more malice than any rational person should be capable of.

The McCanns were not the first victims to fall foul of such personalities.  It used to be carried out on a smaller scale using green ink and the cost of a stamp, now the www gives unlimited rein to the worst examples of human licence and malice. 

 
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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #92 on: February 12, 2023, 11:08:33 PM »
One of the things we have learned is that Amaral didn't libel the McCanns according to the laws of Portugal. Neither did Portugal breach their human rights according to the ECHR. Some people disagree, but that's just their 'armchair lawyer' opinion.

I think there is a lesson to be learned from Robert Murat et al and the awards they received from the Portuguese media who had libelled them.

One only has to read the police file on Murat to wonder why the press paid out on libels they really didn't have to.

Wonder if they will be asking for their money back.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #93 on: February 12, 2023, 11:12:36 PM »
Where did you get the idea that he did?
Let’s have it your way.  According to you Amaral did not libel the McCanns when he expressed the opinion that they hid their daughter’s body in a freezer and transported it in the hire car 23 days later.  Certified completely non libellous by the court according to you (despite the lack of cites, but never mind).  Why then is it libellous to hold and write the opinion that the McCanns murdered Madeleine and then hid her body?  Surely by your and the PT court logic this too is not libellous yet the troll gets points if he expresses this opinion.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #94 on: February 12, 2023, 11:53:00 PM »
Let’s have it your way.  According to you Amaral did not libel the McCanns when he expressed the opinion that they hid their daughter’s body in a freezer and transported it in the hire car 23 days later.  Certified completely non libellous by the court according to you (despite the lack of cites, but never mind).  Why then is it libellous to hold and write the opinion that the McCanns murdered Madeleine and then hid her body? Surely by your and the PT court logic this too is not libellous yet the troll gets points if he expresses this opinion.  Why aren’t you defending him against John? 
I tell you what: one thing that hasn’t been learned after 16 years is how to moderate a forum where all moderators understand what is and isn’t libellous and moderate with consistency and fairness to all.

Because that wasn't the conclusion of the investigation. The PJ didn't believe the McCanns murdered Maddie, only that she died in an accident. So, that's exactly what Amaral wrote in his entirely non libellous book. Me personally, I like to believe that they could have but that theory isn't supported by the files, unfortunately. But I see no way to rule out any possibility, even after 16 years.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #95 on: February 13, 2023, 06:13:16 AM »
Let’s have it your way.  According to you Amaral did not libel the McCanns when he expressed the opinion that they hid their daughter’s body in a freezer and transported it in the hire car 23 days later.  Certified completely non libellous by the court according to you (despite the lack of cites, but never mind).  Why then is it libellous to hold and write the opinion that the McCanns murdered Madeleine and then hid her body?  Surely by your and the PT court logic this too is not libellous yet the troll gets points if he expresses this opinion.

What a strange post! According to you the court didn't mention libel, but it's been trumpeted by the UK newspapers that the McCanns sued Amaral for libel and lost. Would you prefer to call it something else?

Portuguese laws don't apply in the UK, and this forum is understandably careful what is said here. I don't know who is saying the McCanns murdered their daughter, but that's against forum rules because it's the opinion of those in charge here that it's libellous. I don't think it's ever been tested in the UK courts.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #96 on: February 13, 2023, 06:19:19 AM »
I think there is a lesson to be learned from Robert Murat et al and the awards they received from the Portuguese media who had libelled them.

One only has to read the police file on Murat to wonder why the press paid out on libels they really didn't have to.

Wonder if they will be asking for their money back.

The only award to Murat I can see is that TVI had to pay him Eur20,000 for labelling him a paedophile on live TV. Were there others?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #97 on: February 13, 2023, 07:25:04 AM »
What a strange post! According to you the court didn't mention libel, but it's been trumpeted by the UK newspapers that the McCanns sued Amaral for libel and lost. Would you prefer to call it something else?

Portuguese laws don't apply in the UK, and this forum is understandably careful what is said here. I don't know who is saying the McCanns murdered their daughter, but that's against forum rules because it's the opinion of those in charge here that it's libellous. I don't think it's ever been tested in the UK courts.
The ECHR had the last word - does their opinion not count in the UK?  Hasn’t it been repeated on here time and time again that testing the veracity of Amaral’s claims in court was never part of the legal process in this case?  If so then please explain how the court was able to conclude no libel was committed and provide a cite to demonstrate that this was the court’s conclusion.  If it’s ok according for the ECHR for one man in one European country to publish his opinion based on scant evidence, then why not Spam in another? 
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #98 on: February 13, 2023, 07:55:51 AM »
The ECHR had the last word - does their opinion not count in the UK?  Hasn’t it been repeated on here time and time again that testing the veracity of Amaral’s claims in court was never part of the legal process in this case?  If so then please explain how the court was able to conclude no libel was committed and provide a cite to demonstrate that this was the court’s conclusion.  If it’s ok according for the ECHR for one man in one European country to publish his opinion based on scant evidence, then why not Spam in another?

Those in power on this forum decide what  members are allowed to post, not the ECHR. If you want to know what they think it might be a good idea to ask them, not me.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #99 on: February 13, 2023, 08:00:00 AM »
The ECHR had the last word - does their opinion not count in the UK?  Hasn’t it been repeated on here time and time again that testing the veracity of Amaral’s claims in court was never part of the legal process in this case?  If so then please explain how the court was able to conclude no libel was committed and provide a cite to demonstrate that this was the court’s conclusion.  If it’s ok according for the ECHR for one man in one European country to publish his opinion based on scant evidence, then why not Spam in another?

So you agree Amaral's theory is based on evidence, albeit scant?
That's interesting, because there are others here who insist there is no evidence at all against the McCanns.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #100 on: February 13, 2023, 08:07:21 AM »
Those in power on this forum decide what  members are allowed to post, not the ECHR. If you want to know what they think it might be a good idea to ask them, not me.

If you read the SC judgement you will see that the court accepted that the McCanns rights under Article 8 were breached. Its quite ironic how much you pontificate when your actual knowledge of the facts is poor

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #101 on: February 13, 2023, 08:12:58 AM »
Those in power on this forum decide what  members are allowed to post, not the ECHR. If you want to know what they think it might be a good idea to ask them, not me.
Seeing as the ECHR clearly has their backs I don’t know what “those in power on this forum” are afraid of really..
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #102 on: February 13, 2023, 08:15:19 AM »
If you read the SC judgement you will see that the court accepted that the McCanns rights under Article 8 were breached. Its quite ironic how much you pontificate when your actual knowledge of the facts is poor
I’m still waiting for G-Unit to post the bit where the court explicitly stated that Amaral did not libel the McCanns, a claim she repeats regularly but refuses to provide a cite for.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #103 on: February 13, 2023, 08:20:26 AM »
If you read the SC judgement you will see that the court accepted that the McCanns rights under Article 8 were breached. Its quite ironic how much you pontificate when your actual knowledge of the facts is poor

The publication of the files & the McCanns decision to court the media helped nullify that. You can't on the one hand claim your right to a private life as been breached whilst simultaneously giving media interviews on how you couldn't have sex with your spouse imo
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #104 on: February 13, 2023, 09:08:31 AM »
I’m still waiting for G-Unit to post the bit where the court explicitly stated that Amaral did not libel the McCanns, a claim she repeats regularly but refuses to provide a cite for.

Semantics. Whatever the McCanns sued Amaral for they lost the case.
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