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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #525 on: May 23, 2023, 03:16:24 PM »
I wonder why the completely useless PJ never thought to search the local tip seeing as how it's so blatantly obvious that Martin Smith saw Gerry taking his daughter's body to put in a bin?  Hmm....perhaps the total sum of their brain power simply doesn't add up to the one magnificent troll brain we have on here currently advising us what happened.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how my theory is logistically impossible. I'm told it is but no one has ever elaborated further.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #526 on: May 26, 2023, 12:35:38 PM »
Of course he does. Remember this is the man who also believed McCann would win the ECHR case

The man who is never wrong - in his own mind
Do you really want to go off topic...I didn't realise what a poor lawyer the McCanns had

Offline G-Unit

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #527 on: May 26, 2023, 05:05:28 PM »
Do you really want to go off topic...I didn't realise what a poor lawyer the McCanns had

Is it off topic? Quite a few people learned that their opinions about Amaral's book were wrong.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #528 on: May 26, 2023, 05:08:21 PM »
Is it off topic? Quite a few people learned that their opinions about Amaral's book were wrong.
My opinion hasn't changed...the McCanns had poor legal advice. No one has been able to explain why the alerts were considered proven facts. You think you have but you havent

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #529 on: May 26, 2023, 05:19:18 PM »
From today’s Times.  Seems the residents of PdL have learned to develop some compassion in the last 16 years

Praia da Luz has ‘moved on’ from Madeleine McCann disappearance
May 04 2023, 6.00pm
Like the golden beach that is swept of debris twice a day by the Atlantic, the resort’s walls and notice boards have been cleansed of posters appealing for information about Madeleine McCann and the yellow ribbons promoting the search for the missing British girl.

Christian Wolters, a prosecutor in the German investigation into Christian Brueckner, said to “not expect anything spectacular” as a result of the reservoir searches.

The open anger against the McCann family for associating the resort with child abduction is softening to pity as its tourism industry booms. Teretinha Oliveriea, 51, who runs a jewellers in the heart of Praia da Luz, put her head in her hands in exasperation and groaned when “Madeleine” was mentioned. “We are trying to forget, not talking about her again,” she said. “I have a daughter of the same age as Madeleine, she will be 20 in August, so it was a period that was very sad. I saw everything that happened, the hundreds of journalists, the [McCann] family, the police. We don’t want that again. I don’t know what happened, this is a safe place. We are very sorry for her parents but we have moved on.”

At the Ocean Club where the McCanns were staying in May 2007 the only memorial is a metal grill over the window of the bedroom from where Madeleine was abducted. The bougainvillea is again in full bloom as it was the night she disappeared days before her fourth birthday.

Madeleine was three when she went missing in 2007
Madeleine was three when she went missing in 2007

PA

The club’s tennis courts where Madeleine played have become padel courts for the squash-tennis hybrid sport, signifying changes in the town’s population.

In 2007 about 80 per cent of the expats were British. Their numbers have waned, partly because of Brexit reducing the amount of time they can live in Portugal, but also because of increasing numbers from Germany, France, the Netherlands and Scandinavia lured by generous tax breaks.

Annettee Stupp, 47, originally from Essen in western Germany, sells jewellery from a little stall on the promenade. She lives a “van life” moving around in the Algarve in a camper van. “I don’t know about Madeleine,” she said. “No one has told me. It seems like a very safe area.”

Many of the new residents and visitors have no knowledge of the abduction or the prime suspect, Brueckner, 45. The German convicted sex-offender was a “van lifer” who also lived in a farmhouse on the outskirts of Praia da Luz when Madeleine disappeared.

The posters from the search campaign that covered notice boards back in 2008 are gone
The posters from the search campaign that covered notice boards back in 2008 are gone
CHRIS RADBURN/PA
A few yards from Stupp’s stall is the doorway to the dingy late-night bar known as Carlos’s. It became the headquarters for the hundreds of writers, international television correspondents, camera crews, producers and photographers from across the world. They gathered there each evening to discuss theories about the mystery of Madeleine’s disappearance having returned reports of sightings of the missing girl and possible suspects across Portugal, Spain and into north Africa. Carlos’s transformation into a smart restaurant called Boaty’s with a roof terrace overlooking the beach is a symbol of the economic transformation for the resort.

The fall in tourism numbers following Madeleine’s disappearance was followed by the international financial crisis which devastated the Portuguese economy and then the disastrous impact of Covid-19 restrictions. There was intense antagonism towards the McCanns for their perceived neglect in preventing their daughter’s abduction. As property prices boom, hotel reservations fill up and the bars and restaurants prepare for a busy summer, the mood is more compassionate.

Three days after Madeleine disappeared, her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, both now 54, of Rothley, Leicestershire, left their holiday apartment to attend a Mother’s Day service at the resort’s 16th-century church. The building became a sanctuary for the couple, particularly Kate who regularly attended services.

Chris Wells, the church warden, said: “We certainly keep Madeleine and her parents in our prayers. But we don’t want to be the church that is associated with Madeleine McCann. Very few of the congregation were here at the time. The village was very badly hit by events and there was a very anti-McCann feeling. Now the German is a suspect, I think most people accept that the parents were not involved.”

Madeleine’s parents Gerry and Kate McCann
Madeleine’s parents Gerry and Kate McCann
PAUL ROGERS FOR THE TIMES
Andy Syers, 66, a retired teacher from Wetherby, West Yorkshire, lives in Praia da Luz for parts of the year. Three of her grandchildren are visiting this week, with the eldest arriving during the school half term next week.

“We have been coming here for 27 years. It’s an idyllic place, and safe,” she said. “Sometimes we talk about [Madeleine], just the puzzle and the terrible tragedy. Everyone feels for the parents because it is the worst thing to have happened to your children.”
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #530 on: May 26, 2023, 05:22:03 PM »
Is it off topic? Quite a few people learned that their opinions about Amaral's book were wrong.
My opinion of Amaral’s book is not wrong thanks.  It’s full of half-truths, inaccuracies and conjecture and makes unevidenced claims about what happened to Madeleine McCann which if the case had been tried in the UK would almost certainly have been found to be defamatory.
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Offline kizzy

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #531 on: May 26, 2023, 05:34:28 PM »
From today’s Times.  Seems the residents of PdL have learned to develop some compassion in the last 16 years

Praia da Luz has ‘moved on’ from Madeleine McCann disappearance
May 04 2023, 6.00pm
Like the golden beach that is swept of debris twice a day by the Atlantic, the resort’s walls and notice boards have been cleansed of posters appealing for information about Madeleine McCann and the yellow ribbons promoting the search for the missing British girl.

Christian Wolters, a prosecutor in the German investigation into Christian Brueckner, said to “not expect anything spectacular” as a result of the reservoir searches.

The open anger against the McCann family for associating the resort with child abduction is softening to pity as its tourism industry booms. Teretinha Oliveriea, 51, who runs a jewellers in the heart of Praia da Luz, put her head in her hands in exasperation and groaned when “Madeleine” was mentioned. “We are trying to forget, not talking about her again,” she said. “I have a daughter of the same age as Madeleine, she will be 20 in August, so it was a period that was very sad. I saw everything that happened, the hundreds of journalists, the [McCann] family, the police. We don’t want that again. I don’t know what happened, this is a safe place. We are very sorry for her parents but we have moved on.”

At the Ocean Club where the McCanns were staying in May 2007 the only memorial is a metal grill over the window of the bedroom from where Madeleine was abducted. The bougainvillea is again in full bloom as it was the night she disappeared days before her fourth birthday.

Madeleine was three when she went missing in 2007
Madeleine was three when she went missing in 2007

PA

The club’s tennis courts where Madeleine played have become padel courts for the squash-tennis hybrid sport, signifying changes in the town’s population.

In 2007 about 80 per cent of the expats were British. Their numbers have waned, partly because of Brexit reducing the amount of time they can live in Portugal, but also because of increasing numbers from Germany, France, the Netherlands and Scandinavia lured by generous tax breaks.

Annettee Stupp, 47, originally from Essen in western Germany, sells jewellery from a little stall on the promenade. She lives a “van life” moving around in the Algarve in a camper van. “I don’t know about Madeleine,” she said. “No one has told me. It seems like a very safe area.”

Many of the new residents and visitors have no knowledge of the abduction or the prime suspect, Brueckner, 45. The German convicted sex-offender was a “van lifer” who also lived in a farmhouse on the outskirts of Praia da Luz when Madeleine disappeared.

The posters from the search campaign that covered notice boards back in 2008 are gone
The posters from the search campaign that covered notice boards back in 2008 are gone
CHRIS RADBURN/PA
A few yards from Stupp’s stall is the doorway to the dingy late-night bar known as Carlos’s. It became the headquarters for the hundreds of writers, international television correspondents, camera crews, producers and photographers from across the world. They gathered there each evening to discuss theories about the mystery of Madeleine’s disappearance having returned reports of sightings of the missing girl and possible suspects across Portugal, Spain and into north Africa. Carlos’s transformation into a smart restaurant called Boaty’s with a roof terrace overlooking the beach is a symbol of the economic transformation for the resort.

The fall in tourism numbers following Madeleine’s disappearance was followed by the international financial crisis which devastated the Portuguese economy and then the disastrous impact of Covid-19 restrictions. There was intense antagonism towards the McCanns for their perceived neglect in preventing their daughter’s abduction. As property prices boom, hotel reservations fill up and the bars and restaurants prepare for a busy summer, the mood is more compassionate.

Three days after Madeleine disappeared, her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, both now 54, of Rothley, Leicestershire, left their holiday apartment to attend a Mother’s Day service at the resort’s 16th-century church. The building became a sanctuary for the couple, particularly Kate who regularly attended services.

Chris Wells, the church warden, said: “We certainly keep Madeleine and her parents in our prayers. But we don’t want to be the church that is associated with Madeleine McCann. Very few of the congregation were here at the time. The village was very badly hit by events and there was a very anti-McCann feeling. Now the German is a suspect, I think most people accept that the parents were not involved.”

Madeleine’s parents Gerry and Kate McCann
Madeleine’s parents Gerry and Kate McCann
PAUL ROGERS FOR THE TIMES
Andy Syers, 66, a retired teacher from Wetherby, West Yorkshire, lives in Praia da Luz for parts of the year. Three of her grandchildren are visiting this week, with the eldest arriving during the school half term next week.

“We have been coming here for 27 years. It’s an idyllic place, and safe,” she said. “Sometimes we talk about [Madeleine], just the puzzle and the terrible tragedy. Everyone feels for the parents because it is the worst thing to have happened to your children.”


“We have been coming here for 27 years. It’s an idyllic place, and safe,


I believe that to be the reason kmcc left twins in apartment to go to the tapas

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #532 on: May 26, 2023, 05:39:12 PM »

“We have been coming here for 27 years. It’s an idyllic place, and safe,


I believe that to be the reason kmcc left twins in apartment to go to the tapas
Exactly.  Because it seemed like a safe place.  Terrible crimes can happen in apparently safe places, but sometimes people get lulled into a false sense of security.  Whoever says they haven’t is lying imo.
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Offline kizzy

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #533 on: May 26, 2023, 06:18:17 PM »
Exactly.  Because it seemed like a safe place.  Terrible crimes can happen in apparently safe places, but sometimes people get lulled into a false sense of security.  Whoever says they haven’t is lying imo.

get lulled into a false sense of security.


Yes, probably the reason they let the twins go back to the creche the next day.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #534 on: May 26, 2023, 06:21:47 PM »

get lulled into a false sense of security.


Yes, probably the reason they let the twins go back to the creche the next day.
Are you suggesting the creche was not secure?
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Offline Brietta

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #535 on: May 26, 2023, 07:13:49 PM »

get lulled into a false sense of security.


Yes, probably the reason they let the twins go back to the creche the next day.

I think one of the reasons for considering the twins might have had a more settled day could have been that they were attending interviews with the police in an effort to help find their daughter.
Takes all sorts, you seem to think that bringing children to hang around in the police station was a good choice.  Many others would disagree and consider the stability of being entertained along with their peers V the doom and gloom of a police station with no facilities for children would be the better choice in the circumstances.

Me - I tend to go with the trained staff, their peer group and the creche facilities as the preferable option.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #536 on: May 27, 2023, 08:40:36 AM »
My opinion of Amaral’s book is not wrong thanks.  It’s full of half-truths, inaccuracies and conjecture and makes unevidenced claims about what happened to Madeleine McCann which if the case had been tried in the UK would almost certainly have been found to be defamatory.

Your opinion is up to you, it's your choice, and it doesn't matter at all. What matters are legal opinions and they are not the same as yours.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #537 on: May 27, 2023, 09:16:33 AM »
Your opinion is up to you, it's your choice, and it doesn't matter at all. What matters are legal opinions and they are not the same as yours.

Some of them are the same, especially UK.

Offline Brietta

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #538 on: May 27, 2023, 09:28:41 AM »
Your opinion is up to you, it's your choice, and it doesn't matter at all. What matters are legal opinions and they are not the same as yours.

All except the legal conclusions and decision arrived at by the Portuguese Attorney General 2008.  That really doesn't matter because some folk have a different OPINION.

Do please make the attempt to be consistent with your contradictory pontifications.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #539 on: May 27, 2023, 09:45:08 AM »
Your opinion is up to you, it's your choice, and it doesn't matter at all. What matters are legal opinions and they are not the same as yours.
Perhaps you could provide a cite from a legal opinion you approve of which contradicts any of my opinions, thanks in advance.  Also, are you of the view that ALL legal opinions are ALWAYS right?  How dare you sit in judgement of my opinions of Amaral's book - you cannot prove my opinion is wrong, it is only your opinion that it is (though how you came to that decision is beyond me, frankly).
« Last Edit: May 27, 2023, 09:48:13 AM by Venturi Swirl »
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