Do you thinj CB is guilty

[Vertigo Swirl]

Mr Gray seems to value my opinion as he keeps mentioning my name. I suppose my answer, like yours, is that Brueckner was found guilty by due process.

Fair enough.  As with most of the cases discussed in this forum, without the full facts of the investigation and court transcripts it's difficult to have a firm opinion on the guilt or otherwise of anyone.  One either trusts the process or one doesn't.  I trust that the Germans convicted the right man in this case.  I trust that they are on the right track with regard the other rape case also.  My trust may be misplaced, but from what I've read I have no reason to believe it is. 

[sadie]

Bruckner is probably just another patsy being used by the authorities to give justification to their existence. In my opinion they have found absolutely nothing so far to connect any of the many suspects to Maddie. Whoever took her away from outside no 5a really did manage a Houdini event.

PS  I do agree Bruckner is one nasty piece of shit work.

Why, Angelo, do you keep pushing that Madeleine being taken away frpm outside 5A  ?   Three different National police forces appear to agree that she was abducted from within.   Do you think that you know better than their forensic experts ?

I wonder if Madeleine is found / returned the plea will be that "she was wandering around outside and was rescued by X, Y or Z (the perp), when it was just dis / misiformation".   Portuguese courts seem to believe disinformation.
 

Giving the impression    " What a good guy XYZ is ... ne rescued Madeleine!   And how awful The Mccanns are !"   Would look good for the perp in a court case, wouldn't it ?



Why do you keep pushing it, Angelo, when there is NOTHING to indicate that Madeleine left under her own steam and in fact there are a number of pointers, well discussed before , that she did not do that.   ?

For instance had she left on her own volition, she would have had to open a window or a door.   Where are the fingerprints ?    There were none.


Did you realise that you are potentially helping the perps?

[Brietta]

Mr Gray seems to value my opinion as he keeps mentioning my name. I suppose my answer, like yours, is that Brueckner was found guilty by due process.

That I think is as good a carefully worded response as we are ever going to get.

Brueckner was investigated on suspicion of theft, torture and rape.

Brueckner was charged.

Brueckner was put on trial.

Brueckner was found guilty.

Brueckner appealed his conviction and if memory serves me well, not pleading innocence but on a procedural issue.

Brueckner's conviction was upheld.

All of which arose as a direct result of the Germans following through and checking up on information received during their inquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

A study of cold cases verified the information given to them when they found information on DM's rape.

It was all recorded on file.

[Mr Gray]

Mr Gray seems to value my opinion as he keeps mentioning my name. I suppose my answer, like yours, is that Brueckner was found guilty by due process.

I don't value your opinion at all...I like to expose people for what they are.
You haven't answered the question as I expected because you don't have the courage of your convictions.
You haven't answered the question....most of us know exactly why

[Mr Gray]

That I think is as good a carefully worded response as we are ever going to get.

Brueckner was investigated on suspicion of theft, torture and rape.

Brueckner was charged.

Brueckner was put on trial.

Brueckner was found guilty.

Brueckner appealed his conviction and if memory serves me well, not pleading innocence but on a procedural issue.

Brueckner's conviction was upheld.

All of which arose as a direct result of the Germans following through and checking up on information received during their inquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

A study of cold cases verified the information given to them when they found information on DM's rape.

It was all recorded on file.

The failure of gunit to answer the question is exactly as I expected. It really is a simple question

[G-Unit]

I don't value your opinion at all...I like to expose people for what they are.
You haven't answered the question as I expected because you don't have the courage of your convictions.
You haven't answered the question....most of us know exactly why

As I suspected, you just want an argument, and are disappointed because I'm not interested in speculating about German justice. Just carry on speculating about my thoughts, it's very amusing. CB was convicted by the German courts; what else is there to say?

[Mr Gray]

As I suspected, you just want an argument, and are disappointed because I'm not interested in speculating about German justice. Just carry on speculating about my thoughts, it's very amusing. CB was convicted by the German courts; what else is there to say?

The title of this forum is miscarriage of justice,,,..,what that means is some don't accept a courts verdict. It's obvious you can't
give an opinion because you can't support it logically. I've looked at all the evidence and it's overwhelming. Some sceptics don't accept this..I'm sure you're one of them...the fact you won't answer supports this .

The evidence in her trial could well prove pivotal in the MM case..but you prefer pointless trivia

[G-Unit]

The title of this forum is miscarriage of justice,,,..,what that means is some don't accept a courts verdict. It's obvious you can't
give an opinion because you can't support it logically. I've looked at all the evidence and it's overwhelming. Some sceptics don't accept this..I'm sure you're one of them...the fact you won't answer supports this .

The evidence in her trial could well prove pivotal in the MM case..but you prefer pointless trivia

What is the overwhelming evidence you refer to, I wonder?

[Mr Gray]

What is the overwhelming evidence you refer to, I wonder?

You give me your opinion as to his guilt and I'll explain...it is overwhelming

This is a debating platform

[Mr Gray]

What is the overwhelming evidence you refer to, I wonder?

Why is it you don't know about it..haven't you followed the case. It has a very important connection to the MM case and explains.why Wolters wants  to try the other three cases first
.
Amaral says there was no rape and his sceptic followers who think he's some kind of hero.. follow him like sheep..and before you say...no I don't hate him.,I just think he's completely out of his depth

[Mr Gray]

What is the overwhelming evidence you refer to, I wonder?

It's not statements from a couple of criminals and a hair that may well have been planted

[G-Unit]

It's not statements from a couple of criminals and a hair that may well have been planted

I didn't ask what it wasn't, I asked what it was, but if you don't want to say that's fine.

[Mr Gray]

I didn't ask what it wasn't, I asked what it was, but if you don't want to say that's fine.

Do you understand how debate works. I ask a question..you answer.....then you ask  a question. for some reason you refuse to answer a simple question......could you explain why that is. when weve sorted out why you cant answer a  question but expect me to..we can move forward.
I will answer your question..i have no problem at all... but please have the courtesy  if you expect answers from others that you answer theirs.

[Lace]

I think I confused DM with HB. HB definitely did leave her door unlocked though. Which was rather stupid of her.

So if someone entered your home,  bashed you over the head and robbed you,  you would say 'ah well I did leave the door open so it's my fault'.

If you think that don't bother ringing the Police if it does happen to you.

This elderly woman was a victim.

[Mr Gray]

SY organise an appeal for information german TV.  MS sees it and says he wants to talk to SY. A meeting is arranged
where MS gives information to SY implicating CB in the MM case. He also tells of seeing a video of the rape and torture of an elederly lady where CB removes his mask to reveal his identity.
SY ask the PJ to look at unsolved rape cases.
they find an unsolved rape case of an eldely lady in LUZ. She says he videod the rape. Her description of her ordeal matche  taht described by MS  in detail..a very detailed description. The description of her attacker matches cB.

the PJ have  a hair from the victims bed..dna from this hair matches cb......


combined tahts overwhelming evidence yet sceptics cant bring themselves to accept the truth...gunit will noit aknowledge his guilt..Amaral says she was not raped...