The Opinion of a ‘PROPER’ Criminologist.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well, thats why it would be handy to see the report, Vertigo!
Not sure if science comes into it, it was more of a psychological evaluation, was it not?

It’s an absurd conclusion though imo.  If a 14 year old can rape and a fourteen year old can murder then a 14 year old can mutilate genitals.  Children much younger than 14 have committed horrendous sexually aggravated crimes - see the Bulger  murderers for example.

[Joe Blogs]

It’s an absurd conclusion though imo.  If a 14 year old can rape and a fourteen year old can murder then a 14 year old can mutilate genitals.  Children much younger than 14 have committed horrendous sexually aggravated crimes - see the Bulger  murderers for example.

To be honest, I wasn't aware that Jodi was attacked in that manner, Vertigo!

[Vertigo Swirl]

To be honest, I wasn't aware that Jodi was attacked in that manner, Vertigo!

So you weren’t aware that the FBI conclusion was based on the following thought process?

Mr Safarik (ex FBI) told the Sun: "If you have mutilation of sexual body parts you are talking about a lust killer and that is not what you are going to find in a boy of 14.

"The fantasy development and all that dynamic would just not exist at that age”.

[Kenmair]

So you weren’t aware that the FBI conclusion was based on the following thought process?

Mr Safarik (ex FBI) told the Sun: "If you have mutilation of sexual body parts you are talking about a lust killer and that is not what you are going to find in a boy of 14.

"The fantasy development and all that dynamic would just not exist at that age”.

Of course she's aware. It was her SCCRC review in 2012-14. She's just trying to cling onto the coat tails of the floundering campaign. Also, the FBI profile was made long before the teenage girls came forward saying LM had threatened them with a knife.

[Joe Blogs]

So you weren’t aware that the FBI conclusion was based on the following thought process?

Mr Safarik (ex FBI) told the Sun: "If you have mutilation of sexual body parts you are talking about a lust killer and that is not what you are going to find in a boy of 14.

"The fantasy development and all that dynamic would just not exist at that age”.

I thought that refered to the cut under the breast, Vertigo!

[Vertigo Swirl]

I thought that refered to the cut under the breast, Vertigo!

It refers to “sexual body parts” and you are deflecting from the point.  Why bring the FBI report up?  Do you think the assumption that 14 year old murderers wouldn’t mutilate sexual body parts is a correct one?  If so upon what do you base this conclusion?

[Joe Blogs]

It refers to “sexual body parts” and you are deflecting from the point.  Why bring the FBI report up?  Do you think the assumption that 14 year old murderers wouldn’t mutilate sexual body parts is a correct one?  If so upon what do you base this conclusion?

I dont know what a fourteen year old is capable of, Vertigo!
Its the FBI's conclusion, not mine!

[Vertigo Swirl]

I dont know what a fourteen year old is capable of, Vertigo!
Its the FBI's conclusion, not mine!

And it’s clear a dumb conclusion.  If 14 year olds can watch porn, can have access to all sorts of depraved material online, can smoke shedloads of weed, can have sex, can rape and can murder using a knife 114 times on a young female, then there is no earthly reason that means they cannot disfigure or mutilate a femaele’s sexual body parts is parts when they carry out that murder.  There is no logic to the FBI conclusion, is there?

[Joe Blogs]

And it’s clear a dumb conclusion.  If 14 year olds can watch porn, can have access to all sorts of depraved material online, can smoke shedloads of weed, can have sex, can rape and can murder using a knife 114 times on a young female, then there is no earthly reason that means they cannot disfigure or mutilate a femaele’s sexual body parts is parts when they carry out that murder.  There is no logic to the FBI conclusion, is there?

Well as I say Vertigo, I am no psychologist or crime scene profiler!
You must keep in mind though, that the FBI's diagnosis of criminals is based on years of research and interogation of said villains! Hence, the FBI gave their honest opinion of the Jodi killer based on tried and tested data!
Remember that the FBI also track down killers too, using the same profiling techniques!
The FBI logic is based on factual cases over many years, it is no sham, as you seem to be claiming, Vertigo!
Obviously the FBI reports are not flawless, but they seemed to be no doubt of their findings in the Jodi Jones case whatsoever!
No ifs or buts! They stated quite clearly and assuredly that the killer was not Luke, I believe?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well as I say Vertigo, I am no psychologist or crime scene profiler!
You must keep in mind though, that the FBI's diagnosis of criminals is based on years of research and interogation of said villains! Hence, the FBI gave their honest opinion of the Jodi killer based on tried and tested data!
Remember that the FBI also track down killers too, using the same profiling techniques!
The FBI logic is based on factual cases over many years, it is no sham, as you seem to be claiming, Vertigo!
Obviously the FBI reports are not flawless, but they seemed to be no doubt of their findings in the Jodi Jones case whatsoever!
No ifs or buts! They stated quite clearly and assuredly that the killer was not Luke, I believe?

They stated this based on their belief that 14 year old are unable to sexually mutilate and pose their victims.  I think that’s crap and I’d like you or anyone else to provide the argument that says it’s a valid conclusion and not just “because the FBI says so”.

[Joe Blogs]

They stated this based on their belief that 14 year old are unable to sexually mutilate and pose their victims.  I think that’s crap and I’d like you or anyone else to provide the argument that says it’s a valid conclusion and not just “because the FBI says so”.

I'm afraid I cant help you any further, Vertigo! The FBI report is all I have to go by!
Even then of course, we have not actually seen the report, we have only heard what Mark Safarik said about it!

[Vertigo Swirl]

I wonder what the FBI psychologist would make of this 14 year old American Psycho:

“After school let out on Oct. 22, 2013, at Danvers High School, ABC News reported at the time that Chism followed Ritzer, a 24-year-old math teacher, into the girl’s bathroom and attacked her. Chism, then 14, strangled Ritzer before stabbing her 16 times and raping her, later stuffing her body into a recycling bin, which he rolled out into the woods near his school, according to WBUR.

The outlet reported that once Chism brought Ritzer’s body into the woods, he then raped the teacher again using a tree branch, stole her underwear and credit cards and then covered her body with leaves.

PEOPLE reported at the time that Medical Examiner Dr. Anna McDonald, who performed the autopsy, said Ritzer may have still been alive at the time of Chism’s second assault in the woods. “At minimum, she was in the dying process,” McDonald told the jury.”

I’d like them to explain how a 14 year old could feasibly have committed the above crime but could not feasibly have attacked and murdered Jodi Jones.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I'm afraid I cant help you any further, Vertigo! The FBI report is all I have to go by!
Even then of course, we have not actually seen the report, we have only heard what Mark Safaris said about it!

Did the FBI psychologists actually meet and interview Luke Mitchell?

[Joe Blogs]

Did the FBI psychologists actually meet and interview Luke Mitchell?

I doubt that very much, Vertigo, Dobbie and Martin flew over to America to collect the FBI report remember!
No mention of the FBI being over here to interview anyone!

[Joe Blogs]

I wonder what the FBI psychologist would make of this 14 year old American Psycho:

“After school let out on Oct. 22, 2013, at Danvers High School, ABC News reported at the time that Chism followed Ritzer, a 24-year-old math teacher, into the girl’s bathroom and attacked her. Chism, then 14, strangled Ritzer before stabbing her 16 times and raping her, later stuffing her body into a recycling bin, which he rolled out into the woods near his school, according to WBUR.

The outlet reported that once Chism brought Ritzer’s body into the woods, he then raped the teacher again using a tree branch, stole her underwear and credit cards and then covered her body with leaves.

PEOPLE reported at the time that Medical Examiner Dr. Anna McDonald, who performed the autopsy, said Ritzer may have still been alive at the time of Chism’s second assault in the woods. “At minimum, she was in the dying process,” McDonald told the jury.”

I’d like them to explain how a 14 year old could feasibly have committed the above crime but could not feasibly have attacked and murdered Jodi Jones.

Gruesome stuff, Vertigo!
But as I say, I cant really answer for the FBI agents who made up the profile of Jodi's killer!