The Opinion of a ‘PROPER’ Criminologist.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I doubt that very much, Vertigo, Dobbie and Martin flew over to America to collect the FBI report remember!
No mention of the FBI being over here to interview anyone!

Do you think you can carry out a proper and professional psychological profile of someone that you’ve never met?

[Joe Blogs]

Do you think you can carry out a proper and professional psychological profile of someone that you’ve never met?

But youv'e got it slightly mixed up , Vertigo!
The FBI simply looked at the murder of Jodi and gave a profile of the killer!
ie., age etc!
Then they probably looked at taped interviews of LM as well as his background before they categorically ruled him out!

[Vertigo Swirl]

But youv'e got it slightly mixed up , Vertigo!
The FBI simply looked at the murder of Jodi and gave a profile of the killer!
ie., age etc!
Then they probably looked at taped interviews of LM as well as his background before they categorically ruled him out!

How on earth could they have categorically ruled him out based on what he said and his background?  That is more nonsense! The FBI profiler strikes me as incredibly naive and it’s absurd to rule someone out because  you don’t think 14 year olds are capable of this kind of crime.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I'm afraid I cant help you any further, Vertigo! The FBI report is all I have to go by!
Even then of course, we have not actually seen the report, we have only heard what Mark Safarik said about it!

Mark Safarik’s opinion helped put an innocent man behind bars.  I think his opinion is worth about as much as a flip of a coin
https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-profiler-wrongful-conviction-20170720-htmlstory.html

[Joe Blogs]

How on earth could they have categorically ruled him out based on what he said and his background?  That is more nonsense! The FBI profiler strikes me as incredibly naive and it’s absurd to rule someone out because  you don’t think 14 year olds are capable of this kind of crime.

What more can I say, Vertigo!
Obviously Dobbie thought the FBI's opinion was superior to that of any British profiler, why else fly to the U,S of A?
Maybe it was because forensics threw up nothing and Dobbie thought that an endorsement from the highly regarded FBI would be enough to convince anyone with any doubt that Luke was truly guilty?
Alas, the poor fellows plan back-fired! But big time!!!

[Vertigo Swirl]

What more can I say, Vertigo!
Obviously Dobbie thought the FBI's opinion was superior to that of any British profiler, why else fly to the U,S of A?
Maybe it was because forensics threw up nothing and Dobbie thought that an endorsement from the highly regarded FBI would be enough to convince anyone with any doubt that Luke was truly guilty?
Alas, the poor fellows plan back-fired! But big time!!!

Apart from a conviction was successfully secured and the murderer has been behind bars for 20 years, so no harm done to the overall case for the prosecution.

[Joe Blogs]

Apart from a conviction was successfully secured and the murderer has been behind bars for 20 years, so no harm done to the overall case for the prosecution.

Well, you could claim that no harm was done because the FBI report was hidden from the defence and jury, Vertigo!
If not, who knows what the outcome would have been?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well, you could claim that no harm was done because the FBI report was hidden from the defence and jury, Vertigo!
If not, who knows what the outcome would have been?

There is nothing in that report that could not be picked apart and disputed, no tangible evidence in it just opinion based on questionable logic.  I very much doubt it would have held much sway even if used by the defence.

[Joe Blogs]

There is nothing in that report that could not be picked apart and disputed, no tangible evidence in it just opinion based on questionable logic.  I very much doubt it would have held much sway even if used by the defence.

The simple fact is. Vertigo, the FBI report was hidden then heavily redacted!
Doesn't look good, does it?

[Vertigo Swirl]

The simple fact is. Vertigo, the FBI report was hidden then heavily redacted!
Doesn't look good, does it?

I suppose releasing it in full would add grist to the Mitchell Is Innocent mill but would not alter a thing as far as the verdict is concerned imo.  But If it’s so important what efforts have Mitchell’s team made to secure the teport from the FBI directly?  Of course, the last and most recent psychological evaluation of Mitchell deemed him a sexual risk to women, I wonder if this will have changed when his parole hearing comes up shortly…?

[Parky41]

I suppose releasing it in full would add grist to the Mitchell Is Innocent mill but would not alter a thing as far as the verdict is concerned imo.  But If it’s so important what efforts have Mitchell’s team made to secure the teport from the FBI directly?  Of course, the last and most recent psychological evaluation of Mitchell deemed him a sexual risk to women, I wonder if this will have changed when his parole hearing comes up shortly…?

The overuse of that word hidden yet again. The visit to the FBI splashed across the media at the time of the police going. A defence who sourced and scoured media reports on the murder. Were they given or requested a copy of that report? Did they choose not to use it because it would have meant they could not lean to placing focus upon the moped boys as a means of comparison with Mitchell, the circumstantial evidence against him? The two boys who were barely older than Mitchell himself who clearly would not have fitted that profile either. Someone well into their 20's and older I believe? Therefore not fitting any of Mitchell's lean to other suspects. Not a shred of consistency in any of it from Mitchells supporters, the same old chucking mud against the wall to see if it will stick. The same old desperate need to lie, there was nothing "hidden" from his defence, zero proof of such. Certainly no inroads for any such obtuse claims. Endless endless claims?

[Joe Blogs]

The overuse of that word hidden yet again. The visit to the FBI splashed across the media at the time of the police going. A defence who sourced and scoured media reports on the murder. Were they given or requested a copy of that report? Did they choose not to use it because it would have meant they could not lean to placing focus upon the moped boys as a means of comparison with Mitchell, the circumstantial evidence against him? The two boys who were barely older than Mitchell himself who clearly would not have fitted that profile either. Someone well into their 20's and older I believe? Therefore not fitting any of Mitchell's lean to other suspects. Not a shred of consistency in any of it from Mitchells supporters, the same old chucking mud against the wall to see if it will stick. The same old desperate need to lie, there was nothing "hidden" from his defence, zero proof of such. Certainly no inroads for any such obtuse claims. Endless endless claims?

Are you suggesting that the defence knew about the FBI report before the trial, Peter! And that they actually read the un-redacted report but chose not to use it?

[Joe Blogs]

I suppose releasing it in full would add grist to the Mitchell Is Innocent mill but would not alter a thing as far as the verdict is concerned imo.  But If it’s so important what efforts have Mitchell’s team made to secure the teport from the FBI directly?  Of course, the last and most recent psychological evaluation of Mitchell deemed him a sexual risk to women, I wonder if this will have changed when his parole hearing comes up shortly…?

Thats why I asked if the SCCRC had the right to request the FBI report, Vertigo!

[Vertigo Swirl]

Thats why I asked if the SCCRC had the right to request the FBI report, Vertigo!

I’ve no idea but given that FBI profiling is an inexact science with varying degrees of success over the years I really don’t see what difference it would make to Mitchell’s case even if they did.  It’s straw clutching at best imo.

[Joe Blogs]

I’ve no idea but given that FBI profiling is an inexact science with varying degrees of success over the years I really don’t see what difference it would make to Mitchell’s case even if they did.  It’s straw clutching at best imo.

No, I dont suppose the report would be enough to set him free now, Vertigo!
But who knows what effect it would have had on the jury at the time?
The thing is, the police were obviously going to use the report at trial if it favoured LM guilt, they didn't spend a fortune flying to America for nothing!
Alas, the report didn't favour a guilty Luke, and obviously they were fearful of the effect it would have on the outcome of the case, hence the redaction! They obviously thought the report would have more of an effect than simply 'clutching at straws' , as you put it, Vertigo!