Can People Who Doubt the McCanns Safely Debate on This Forum ?

[Meadow]

From the scene in PDL on the evening of 3rd May 2007, this conversation was overheard:

''Mr McKenzie states that:

On e hour into the search by holiday makers of the hotel and surrounding areas, about 23.00 hrs, Mr McKenzie approached the McCann's apartment from the bushes at the rear of the apartment.

He was searching the gardens. He did not know it was the McCann's apartment.

He saw Mr Gerry McCann standing alone in the doorway at the rear of the apartment talking on his mobile telephone.

Mr McCann was looking our over the swimming pool and did not see Mr McKenzie.

Mr McCann was absolutely distraught telling the person receiving the call that he feared 'she (Madeleine McCann) had been taken by paedophiles'.

He does not know who the person receiving the calls was but presumes it to be a family member.

Mr McKenzie recognises Mr McCann from being in the same holiday complex at the same time.''


Crimstoppers LP POLICE Statement taken 16th September 2007
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GRAHAM-MCKENZIE.htm

So it's pretty obvious that probably even before the police arrived the word paedophiles was being used. Surely there was some glimmer of hope that Madeleine might have woke and wondered off or at least would be safely returned.

[Luz]

Please tick the words I can't use:

castrated
liar
disgraced
miserable
neutered
sardine muncher
shameful



...I'll get back if I remember more, sorry my vernacular vocabulary is limited   

You can use them by all means Luz.

Thanks, much obliged.

I've added another one: intellectual midget

[icabodcrane]

Was this forum created as a kind of abuse repairing ? You see, I don't follow nobody related to the McCann case on Twitter, I don't do FB, I don't know those anti or pro sites, which means I can't help !

Is that your clever way of trying to say without saying it openly that you do follow McCann related people on Twitter? Are you using a double negative in the hope of believing that you don't follow such people? Or were you just being untruthful about it?

Is it pure co-incidence that another poster happens to be called Anne Guedes and who just happens to claim to live in Portugal and also shows interest in the McCann case? Or would that be you? Because if Anne Guedes (@aacg) is you then you do follow McCann related people (Including Nigel Moore, Paul Reis, Joana Morais etc,) don't you?  And if you are @aacg then you do know those anti sites at least as you have posted on the Joana Morais page haven't you?

So is it a pure coincidence?

Or did you lie about this?

Or were you trying to play silly word games to hide the truth?

We deserve the truth.

@AnneGuedes   As you mention lies on  page 4, any chance of yout admittance or rebuttal of the claims in this post?  As it says, we deserve the truth.

I suppose are you saying will the real Anne Guedes stand up
 
Mike Spudgun ‏@spudgun01 21 Feb
The #McCanns must be the first 'former suspects' in History to successfully SILENCE anyone who believes them to be complicit in any crime.


anne guedes
‏@aacg
@spudgun01 Their success is due to the many personalities who supported blindly their absurd theory.

Joana Morais @ xklamation 22 Feb
Petition to pressure PT Authorities reopen the Maddie case to http://www. change.org / petitions / a-vo ice-for-madeleine ... # J4M

anne guedes @ AACG 22 Feb
@ xklamation They never will, Joana, Unless they'd find a corpse, not 'cause nothing Remained (imo). And remember Pontius Pilate!

anne guedes @ AACG 20 Feb
@ ProfilerPatB May be Between ground and sky as well, if I may say.

oh dear  ...  this post smacks of stalking !

Surely that is against forum rules ? 

(  I find it quite scarey  )

Stalking ? Is this just not reproducing postings on social media that are in the public domain ? I thnk the question was are these attributed to Anne who posts on here or are they those of another Anne ?

But you searched the internet to track someone's post history ...  you took time out of your life to do that  !

...  I find that a bit scarey  ...  and certainly  'stalkerish'

[gilet]

Was this forum created as a kind of abuse repairing ? You see, I don't follow nobody related to the McCann case on Twitter, I don't do FB, I don't know those anti or pro sites, which means I can't help !

Is that your clever way of trying to say without saying it openly that you do follow McCann related people on Twitter? Are you using a double negative in the hope of believing that you don't follow such people? Or were you just being untruthful about it?

Is it pure co-incidence that another poster happens to be called Anne Guedes and who just happens to claim to live in Portugal and also shows interest in the McCann case? Or would that be you? Because if Anne Guedes (@aacg) is you then you do follow McCann related people (Including Nigel Moore, Paul Reis, Joana Morais etc,) don't you?  And if you are @aacg then you do know those anti sites at least as you have posted on the Joana Morais page haven't you?

So is it a pure coincidence?

Or did you lie about this?

Or were you trying to play silly word games to hide the truth?

We deserve the truth.

@AnneGuedes   As you mention lies on  page 4, any chance of yout admittance or rebuttal of the claims in this post?  As it says, we deserve the truth.

I suppose are you saying will the real Anne Guedes stand up
 
Mike Spudgun ‏@spudgun01 21 Feb
The #McCanns must be the first 'former suspects' in History to successfully SILENCE anyone who believes them to be complicit in any crime.


anne guedes
‏@aacg
@spudgun01 Their success is due to the many personalities who supported blindly their absurd theory.

Joana Morais @ xklamation 22 Feb
Petition to pressure PT Authorities reopen the Maddie case to http://www. change.org / petitions / a-vo ice-for-madeleine ... # J4M

anne guedes @ AACG 22 Feb
@ xklamation They never will, Joana, Unless they'd find a corpse, not 'cause nothing Remained (imo). And remember Pontius Pilate!

anne guedes @ AACG 20 Feb
@ ProfilerPatB May be Between ground and sky as well, if I may say.

oh dear  ...  this post smacks of stalking !

Surely that is against forum rules ? 

(  I find it quite scarey  )

It is not stalking at all. The poster Anne Guedes made certain claims about her activity on Facebook, Twitter and on other sites.

Those posts demonstrate that Anne Guedes has been economical with the truth.

Are you claiming that when posters lie those lies cannot be challenged?

[stephen25000]

Was this forum created as a kind of abuse repairing ? You see, I don't follow nobody related to the McCann case on Twitter, I don't do FB, I don't know those anti or pro sites, which means I can't help !

Is that your clever way of trying to say without saying it openly that you do follow McCann related people on Twitter? Are you using a double negative in the hope of believing that you don't follow such people? Or were you just being untruthful about it?

Is it pure co-incidence that another poster happens to be called Anne Guedes and who just happens to claim to live in Portugal and also shows interest in the McCann case? Or would that be you? Because if Anne Guedes (@aacg) is you then you do follow McCann related people (Including Nigel Moore, Paul Reis, Joana Morais etc,) don't you?  And if you are @aacg then you do know those anti sites at least as you have posted on the Joana Morais page haven't you?

So is it a pure coincidence?

Or did you lie about this?

Or were you trying to play silly word games to hide the truth?

We deserve the truth.

@AnneGuedes   As you mention lies on  page 4, any chance of yout admittance or rebuttal of the claims in this post?  As it says, we deserve the truth.

Is this not you Anne?
 
Anne Guedes wrote:
"those terrible hours of darkness before they could resume the search"
The police, tourists, inhabitants, Ocean Club staff searched up to 4:30, yes, but the parents didn't.
As well as they don't search now, even after their PI found that Madeleine is in some lair in a 10 miles radius of PDL.
Many would be happy to collaborate in the search but isn't it obvious that the parents should be searching too ?
January 27, 2010 4:52 AM GMT on community.timesonline.co.uk
 
Also seems others know her, only too well.
 
http://.....2.forumotion.co.uk/t2843p255-photoshopping-videos-and-propaganda

.....2 should not be used as a reference source in terms of neutrality.

It frequently has posters defaming, regularly, people such as Grimes, Amaral, Brown, etc., to name a few.

Neutrality means precisely that, and not allowing DEFAMATION should be applied to all.

[Jean-Pierre]

Many people here would have a lot to respond to if legality was to be imposed, starting by some moderators that are biased and offer unfounded opinions.

But we know that the UK is a paradise for predators of the soul when the victims are foreigners.

Nevertheless, if I were you I would just ignore those carter-ruckers and the likes, they only intervene when someone is going into their pockets, and the McCs are just not getting enough charity money to pay them. For them we are less then mosquitos.

And if they want to fight me because I say their clients are liars and are involved in their daughters disappearance, and there is no abduction, so be it.

As a free citizen I have a right to free thinking and speech

I'll rather speak than speach.

My dear Luz - as a native of one of the most cosmopolitan and tolerant cities on earth (London) I have to say you really do talk a lot of rot!

Portugal is a wonderful country, with warm and hospitable people.  Why do you feel the need to insult and denigrate the citizens of another wonderful country, cosmopolitan (I think every language on earth is spoken in London) and tolerant. 

"But we know that the UK is a paradise for predators of the soul when the victims are foreigners." - really? 

However, what we have a well developed sense of justice - and object to anyone riding roughshod over one of the fundamental principles of justice - ie "innocent until proven guilty". 

So how about dropping the attitude and accepting that all nations have virtues and faults. 

Thanks

[Cudge]

Was this forum created as a kind of abuse repairing ? You see, I don't follow nobody related to the McCann case on Twitter, I don't do FB, I don't know those anti or pro sites, which means I can't help !

Is that your clever way of trying to say without saying it openly that you do follow McCann related people on Twitter? Are you using a double negative in the hope of believing that you don't follow such people? Or were you just being untruthful about it?

Is it pure co-incidence that another poster happens to be called Anne Guedes and who just happens to claim to live in Portugal and also shows interest in the McCann case? Or would that be you? Because if Anne Guedes (@aacg) is you then you do follow McCann related people (Including Nigel Moore, Paul Reis, Joana Morais etc,) don't you?  And if you are @aacg then you do know those anti sites at least as you have posted on the Joana Morais page haven't you?

So is it a pure coincidence?

Or did you lie about this?

Or were you trying to play silly word games to hide the truth?

We deserve the truth.

@AnneGuedes   As you mention lies on  page 4, any chance of yout admittance or rebuttal of the claims in this post?  As it says, we deserve the truth.

I suppose are you saying will the real Anne Guedes stand up
 
Mike Spudgun ‏@spudgun01 21 Feb
The #McCanns must be the first 'former suspects' in History to successfully SILENCE anyone who believes them to be complicit in any crime.


anne guedes
‏@aacg
@spudgun01 Their success is due to the many personalities who supported blindly their absurd theory.

Joana Morais @ xklamation 22 Feb
Petition to pressure PT Authorities reopen the Maddie case to http://www. change.org / petitions / a-vo ice-for-madeleine ... # J4M

anne guedes @ AACG 22 Feb
@ xklamation They never will, Joana, Unless they'd find a corpse, not 'cause nothing Remained (imo). And remember Pontius Pilate!

anne guedes @ AACG 20 Feb
@ ProfilerPatB May be Between ground and sky as well, if I may say.

oh dear  ...  this post smacks of stalking !

Surely that is against forum rules ? 

(  I find it quite scarey  )

Stalking ? Is this just not reproducing postings on social media that are in the public domain ? I thnk the question was are these attributed to Anne who posts on here or are they those of another Anne ?

But you searched the internet to track someone's post history ...  you took time out of your life to do that  !

...  I find that a bit scarey  ...  and certainly  'stalkerish'

Not at all I happened to be looking at another forum before I came on here where these posts plus more were the subject of a thread. So you are wrong in your assumption that I searched the internet and I certainly took no more time out of my life than you do by posting on here

[gilet]

@Luz

Your utter failure to show a single fault in what I have posted is evidence enough of its truth.

Your disgusting abuse of me instead of responding like an intelligent person is clear for all to see.

Your refusal to debate is simply because there is nothing in my post which you can actually challenge. Every word I have posted is the absolute truth and you cannot deny that. Instead you post filthy abuse. Why am I not surprised? 

[AnneGuedes]

Stalking ? Is this just not reproducing postings on social media that are in the public domain ? I thnk the question was are these attributed to Anne who posts on here or are they those of another Anne ?

Do I have to justify who I'm not ?
Really scary mentalities here !

[gilet]

Stalking ? Is this just not reproducing postings on social media that are in the public domain ? I thnk the question was are these attributed to Anne who posts on here or are they those of another Anne ?

Do I have to justify who I'm not ?
Really scary mentalities here !

Its simple really.

Are you telling us that it is pure coincidence that another Portuguese resident called Anne Guedes (you have already said that is your real name) is posting about the McCanns?

Or is it you and you lied about your activity?

Which is it that you are claiming?

[AnneGuedes]

...

So it's pretty obvious that probably even before the police arrived the word paedophiles was being used.

...

I can swear Meadow isn't Mr McCann in disguise.

Why are you deliberately trying to disrupt this thread with your obsession with paedophilia?

[gilet]

@AnneGuedes

Is making stupid quips about Mr. McCann your real game? Or is that just to divert from the fact that you are failing to answer questions about the things you have claimed on here?

[icabodcrane]

Stalking ? Is this just not reproducing postings on social media that are in the public domain ? I thnk the question was are these attributed to Anne who posts on here or are they those of another Anne ?

Do I have to justify who I'm not ?
Really scary mentalities here !

I feel you are being bullied on this thread Anne,  and I am appalled that others have been 'tracking you down' on the internet   (  makes me feel a bit queasy )

I think you should report this personal hounding to the mods

[AnneGuedes]

Stalking ? Is this just not reproducing postings on social media that are in the public domain ? I thnk the question was are these attributed to Anne who posts on here or are they those of another Anne ?

Do I have to justify who I'm not ?
Really scary mentalities here !

Its simple really.

Are you telling us that it is pure coincidence that another Portuguese resident called Anne Guedes (you have already said that is your real name) is posting about the McCanns?

Or is it you and you lied about your activity?

Which is it that you are claiming?

Don't you see all this is pure abuse, eventually defamatory ? These names are very common.

[gilet]

Stalking ? Is this just not reproducing postings on social media that are in the public domain ? I thnk the question was are these attributed to Anne who posts on here or are they those of another Anne ?

Do I have to justify who I'm not ?
Really scary mentalities here !

I feel you are being bullied on this thread Anne,  and I am appalled that others have been 'tracking you down' on the internet   (  makes me feel a bit queasy )

I think you should report this personal hounding to the mods

Your concern for your fellow poster is touching. However you are forgetting it was Anne Guedes who made the claims about her Twitter etc. activity, not others.

Are you really saying that she should be allowed to lie about those claims or are you suggesting it is pure coincidence that @aacg happens to have the same name as the poster you are so touchingly being protective of?

When people make claims here they should expect to be challenged to support those claims.

I have asked the simple question did she lie or is she claiming its all a terrible coincidence? Others have noted that there is plenty of evidence of this other poster doing what Anne Guedes here claims she does not do? So did she lie or is it a coincidence?

What do you think?