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Offline RedBetty

Re: The New Yorker magazine now claiming Bamber had an alibi?
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2026, 09:05:21 AM »
I've listened to PC Milbanks audio on this, mainly because I was working as a BT operator at the time and knew the procedure. PC Milbank should have known himself that a 999 call wasn't just passed to the police without information about the situation, the address if known and who the caller was from the BT operator, he would never have just picked up a 999 call and be left without any clue as to what it was about.The document attached to this "999 call" states clearly "Open '999' line set up (direct link to house with phone off hook)". At 4am BT was contacted to listen in to the line at White House Farm which, when dialled was engaged. The 999 emergency desk would have dialled into the line to see if they could hear anything, the operator reported that the phone appeared to be off the hook, there were sounds of movement and a dog barking. BT tried again at 4:30 and 5:40, still only slight movement and a barking dog. At 5:50 the operator patched into Essex Police HQ so that they could monitor the line as BT can't continually do this, it ties up emergency lines. Essex Police then assigned PC Milbank to monitor the line at 6:09, as he recorded no information about what he heard then we can assume he heard nothing of any use. Technically he did get a call from the 999 line but it was the BT operator patching through the line for monitoring. I don't know why PC Milbank didn't realise this, was he even told at the time that this was what the call he answered was? it doesn't sound as though he'd given it any thought, even at the time. I imagine being caught on the hop by a reporter years after the event may have caused him to say something that later he realised wasn't exactly true and recanted it, he sounded unsure about admitting he heard voices or a radio, maybe carried away at being interviewed by a journalist. Given the terrible performance of the Essex Police throughout this investigation I'm not really surprised. I understand there will be people that want this to be the evidence they've been looking for but the whole family died at approx 3am, nothing has disproved that. Nobody in the house was found near a phone so they could not have dialled it, I see people saying it was Sheila but then she would have had to shoot herself twice, the gun may not be the loudest but the farm was surrounded by police who were straining to hear anything at all, also PC Milbank did not record that gunshot had been heard. I hope this helps.
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Offline Joe Blogs

Re: The New Yorker magazine now claiming Bamber had an alibi?
« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2026, 07:50:45 PM »
I've listened to PC Milbanks audio on this, mainly because I was working as a BT operator at the time and knew the procedure. PC Milbank should have known himself that a 999 call wasn't just passed to the police without information about the situation, the address if known and who the caller was from the BT operator, he would never have just picked up a 999 call and be left without any clue as to what it was about.The document attached to this "999 call" states clearly "Open '999' line set up (direct link to house with phone off hook)". At 4am BT was contacted to listen in to the line at White House Farm which, when dialled was engaged. The 999 emergency desk would have dialled into the line to see if they could hear anything, the operator reported that the phone appeared to be off the hook, there were sounds of movement and a dog barking. BT tried again at 4:30 and 5:40, still only slight movement and a barking dog. At 5:50 the operator patched into Essex Police HQ so that they could monitor the line as BT can't continually do this, it ties up emergency lines. Essex Police then assigned PC Milbank to monitor the line at 6:09, as he recorded no information about what he heard then we can assume he heard nothing of any use. Technically he did get a call from the 999 line but it was the BT operator patching through the line for monitoring. I don't know why PC Milbank didn't realise this, was he even told at the time that this was what the call he answered was? it doesn't sound as though he'd given it any thought, even at the time. I imagine being caught on the hop by a reporter years after the event may have caused him to say something that later he realised wasn't exactly true and recanted it, he sounded unsure about admitting he heard voices or a radio, maybe carried away at being interviewed by a journalist. Given the terrible performance of the Essex Police throughout this investigation I'm not really surprised. I understand there will be people that want this to be the evidence they've been looking for but the whole family died at approx 3am, nothing has disproved that. Nobody in the house was found near a phone so they could not have dialled it, I see people saying it was Sheila but then she would have had to shoot herself twice, the gun may not be the loudest but the farm was surrounded by police who were straining to hear anything at all, also PC Milbank did not record that gunshot had been heard. I hope this helps.
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Very few people think that Sheila made a 999call at 6.09, Red!
I think that Philip Boyce's Aga evidence is better proof of JBs innocence.

Offline colsville

Re: The New Yorker magazine now claiming Bamber had an alibi?
« Reply #32 on: Today at 10:17:12 AM »
Very few people think that Sheila made a 999call at 6.09, Red!
I think that Philip Boyce's Aga evidence is better proof of JBs innocence.

It's a documented fact that the so called 999 call was in reality the open line (phone was off the hook) in the house being diverted (or repatched) to the Information Room at Chelmsford Police Headquarters (HQIR)

This cannot be legally disputed in any meaningful sense, because it has been proven by evidence, and agreed on in the original court case.

But Jeremy Bamber and his legal representatives, as well as the Guardian newspaper, the New Yorker magazine and JB's  Campaign team...have all recently - and wrongly - said that the innocent diversion of the call by a BT operator to HQIR, was in fact an emergence 999 call made by someone inside the house.

It is a long proven fact that it was not an emergency call from someone inside the house.

The truth is this:

Jeremy Bamber (deliberately?) left the phone off the hook at Whitehouse Farm so that no one from that point onwards, would be able to get through to the house.  It ensured that  confusion and suspicion was aroused and maintained when Jeremy Bamber got home after murdering his family, got cleaned up and then rang the police.

Having the phone off the hook at 3 in the morning, would enhance the feeling that there was something wrong going on in the house, whilst Jeremy Bamber was at his own house.

Under cross examination, during the actual court case in 1986, Jeremy Bamber confirmed that he took a call from his father to say that his sister had got the guns and gone crazy.  Bamber then said the line went dead as if the actual phone cable had been cut with a pair of scissors.

Jeremy Bamber then confirmed that he himself hung up by pressing the two buttons on those old phones, which would have disconnected the call, thus allowing him to make another call.

He then claims to have immediately rang his father up again but got the engaged signal.  i.e. the phone at white house farm is now off the hook, which could then be confirmed by the police, therefore heightening the feeling that there really was something wrong....whilst Jeremy Bamber was 3 miles away at his own house.

But it was confirmed by BT engineers at the time, and in court in 1986, that Jeremy Bamber would not have been able to phone back for at least another 2 minutes (apparantly up to 10 minutes) due to the mechanical nature of the phone system in 1986.

The phone at Jeremy Bambers house would have been completely non-functioning for several minutes, whilst the mechanics at the various exchanges unlocked themselves.

Therefore Jeremy Bamber did not phone his dad back when he said he did.  It did not happen.  And yet that was a huge part of Jeremy Bambers story at the time, and one that he repeated.

But it factually never happened.

And that was his alibi.

And now he is twisting it around, along with his supporters that the subsequent redirect to HQIR at 06:09, was a 999 call from inside the house.  Which is provably untrue.

And what I've just written are the actual known facts, and those facts are undefeatable by anyone anywhere. 

Every aspect of Jeremy Bambers case is like that, once you delve a bit deeper and stay neutral.

Neither Simon Hattenstone or Heidi Blake would ever dare to come on here and try and defeat my arguments because they know I'd tear their own arguments to shreds. 

They know they are emotionally attached to the case.  They are both consumed by that emotion.

This is a known psychology, where people will promote lies and fiction in order to protect something they have become  emotionally attached to.   This was Eric Allisons weakness too.  And deep down they all know it, but are unable to confront it, or defeat it.  The emotion is too strong.

Offline Joe Blogs

Re: The New Yorker magazine now claiming Bamber had an alibi?
« Reply #33 on: Today at 11:27:43 AM »
It's a documented fact that the so called 999 call was in reality the open line (phone was off the hook) in the house being diverted (or repatched) to the Information Room at Chelmsford Police Headquarters (HQIR)

This cannot be legally disputed in any meaningful sense, because it has been proven by evidence, and agreed on in the original court case.

But Jeremy Bamber and his legal representatives, as well as the Guardian newspaper, the New Yorker magazine and JB's  Campaign team...have all recently - and wrongly - said that the innocent diversion of the call by a BT operator to HQIR, was in fact an emergence 999 call made by someone inside the house.

It is a long proven fact that it was not an emergency call from someone inside the house.

The truth is this:

Jeremy Bamber (deliberately?) left the phone off the hook at Whitehouse Farm so that no one from that point onwards, would be able to get through to the house.  It ensured that  confusion and suspicion was aroused and maintained when Jeremy Bamber got home after murdering his family, got cleaned up and then rang the police.

Having the phone off the hook at 3 in the morning, would enhance the feeling that there was something wrong going on in the house, whilst Jeremy Bamber was at his own house.

Under cross examination, during the actual court case in 1986, Jeremy Bamber confirmed that he took a call from his father to say that his sister had got the guns and gone crazy.  Bamber then said the line went dead as if the actual phone cable had been cut with a pair of scissors.

Jeremy Bamber then confirmed that he himself hung up by pressing the two buttons on those old phones, which would have disconnected the call, thus allowing him to make another call.

He then claims to have immediately rang his father up again but got the engaged signal.  i.e. the phone at white house farm is now off the hook, which could then be confirmed by the police, therefore heightening the feeling that there really was something wrong....whilst Jeremy Bamber was 3 miles away at his own house.

But it was confirmed by BT engineers at the time, and in court in 1986, that Jeremy Bamber would not have been able to phone back for at least another 2 minutes (apparantly up to 10 minutes) due to the mechanical nature of the phone system in 1986.

The phone at Jeremy Bambers house would have been completely non-functioning for several minutes, whilst the mechanics at the various exchanges unlocked themselves.

Therefore Jeremy Bamber did not phone his dad back when he said he did.  It did not happen.  And yet that was a huge part of Jeremy Bambers story at the time, and one that he repeated.

But it factually never happened.

And that was his alibi.

And now he is twisting it around, along with his supporters that the subsequent redirect to HQIR at 06:09, was a 999 call from inside the house.  Which is provably untrue.

And what I've just written are the actual known facts, and those facts are undefeatable by anyone anywhere. 

Every aspect of Jeremy Bambers case is like that, once you delve a bit deeper and stay neutral.

Neither Simon Hattenstone or Heidi Blake would ever dare to come on here and try and defeat my arguments because they know I'd tear their own arguments to shreds. 

They know they are emotionally attached to the case.  They are both consumed by that emotion.

This is a known psychology, where people will promote lies and fiction in order to protect something they have become  emotionally attached to.   This was Eric Allisons weakness too.  And deep down they all know it, but are unable to confront it, or defeat it.  The emotion is too strong.
What do you make of Philip Boyces Aga burn evidence, colsville?

Offline colsville

Re: The New Yorker magazine now claiming Bamber had an alibi?
« Reply #34 on: Today at 01:02:05 PM »
What do you make of Philip Boyces Aga burn evidence, colsville?

I haven't visited this for a couple of years....so my knowledge is from 2 or 3 years ago...but back then, the theory didn't amount in any way whatsoever as evidence. 

So the argument falls down straight away.

And then if you could show through some actual scientific method that the burn marks came from the aga, it still doesn't shed any light on what happened that night, therefore it still wouldn't count for anything.

Evidence has to point to something specific happening, so even if you can prove the burn marks came from the aga (which wasn't the case 2 or 3 years ago),  it in no way incriminates the police any more than it incriminates Jeremy Bamber, or anyone else.