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Offline sadie

Brilliant youtube showing how bundleman got away
« on: April 16, 2013, 04:42:32 PM »
This video is brilliant.  It shows how the abduction getaway could have been achieved in a matter of seconds.

However, I think that this is only what happened until 0.50.  Because of the Smith sighhting, I dont believe that bundleman got into a car at 0.50 and drove off.  Personally I think because of the JT sighting ... after 0.55 this video has Madeleines carry away wrong

But perfect up to 0.50 ... this almost certainly shows what happened up till then

But what is shown in this video proves that it was possible to be in a vehicle and way in lwell less than a minute

Congratulations to tinman918 for producing such a graphic video.







Plan showing route an abductor could have taken (red dots).

Position of Jane tanner sighting shown by green dots.


icabodcrane

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Re: Brilliant youtube showing how bundleman got away
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2013, 04:54:54 PM »
Brilliant video  ?   ...  all I see is someone walking and driving through Priai da Luz with a hand held camera to sombre background music

I can't make head nor tail of it 

Offline sadie

Re: Brilliant youtube showing how bundleman got away
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2013, 05:02:28 PM »
http://youtu.be/Tce384Tadc0

As you will see there is a long walled path with moderately high walls so unless Madeleine was passed over the wall, bundleman had to walk in the wrong direction west for quite a distance until he reached the gap.  The gap was at the centre of the building.  At this point he had to almost double back on himself and head for the drive in entrance from the road.  Then it was along the pavement to Jane Tanner corner, across the road where Gerery and Jez were and along that next bit of pavement.

Exactly the same as in the video.
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However because almost certainly the Smiths saw Bundleman, the car wasn't there ... so at 0.55 we have to think laterally.  What happened next?

To help:

0.6   Recess on the left with pillars.  I think that Matts front door was in this recess and also another door

0.16  At this point we are at the centre of the building having walked about 22 metrews in the wrong direction.  This is where the gap is to get out on to the car park

0.21  Approaching the car park drive-in, which is the only way in or out.


0.30 Jane Tanner corner.


0.53  Here we part company with this excellent video.




Where did they go from here?



Offline sadie

Re: Brilliant youtube showing how bundleman got away
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2013, 05:09:08 PM »
Brilliant video  ?   ...  all I see is someone walking and driving through Priai da Luz with a hand held camera to sombre background music

I can't make head nor tail of it

Am gobsmacked that an intelligent bloke like you cant understand it

icabodcrane

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Re: Brilliant youtube showing how bundleman got away
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2013, 05:17:03 PM »
Brilliant video  ?   ...  all I see is someone walking and driving through Priai da Luz with a hand held camera to sombre background music

I can't make head nor tail of it

Am gobsmacked that an intelligent bloke like you cant understand it

If you've been to Priai da Luz it might make some sort of sense,  but I havn't,  and it just looks like a confusing 'Blair Which'  type video to me

Sorry Sadie,  but that's my honest reaction to it

Offline John

Re: Brilliant youtube showing how bundleman got away
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2013, 05:22:43 PM »
Very interesting video Sadie and thank you for adding it.   I read some of what had been posted earlier this morning about timings but according to Amaral the appropriate measures were not taken until after midnight.

This meant that a period of some two hours had elapsed since Maddie's abduction.  In two hours an abductor in a car could have travelled over 100 miles and could have been easily across the Spanish frontier.

Map below follows the route of the video and shows how easy it would have been to exit the town.



« Last Edit: April 16, 2013, 07:46:46 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline sadie

Re: Brilliant youtube showing how bundleman got away
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2013, 06:22:07 PM »
Dont think so John ... but I am open minded.

A boat was moored outside the Lagos marina just before the gates (drawbridge) was closed for the evening.  I think that is where she went, But I know I could be wrong.  I also know that she could have been transferred to a boat from one of the little beaches, but it was getting a bit rough weatherwise.

On a boat to be whisked away up to, probably, Sines Harbour.  She would get there before dawn.  A rather desolate looking mainly industrial harbour.  We passed by... an industrial area.

So she would be out of the searches way ... on the Ocean.  Just hope she was well looked after aboard.

At early dawn with half light, I then think that she was put into the white van which Moreira spotted at the outdoor snack bar on, IIRC, the N10 at 8 am..  It was a driving distance of very approximately 85 -90 miles(140Km)

Perfect length of time to reach there from half light.  I am sorry but I have now forgotten when the dawn arrived, but I checked it at the time I developed this theory ...  and I know that the time to drive was about right.  We drove it, altho we didn't clock it at the time.


The N10 was the old main road going north and the snack bar is at a little place called Samora Correia, just 5 miles short of Vila Franca Xira, East of Lisboa and a little under half way up to Oporto from PdL.  We visited the snack bar.  That is in an Industrial area too.


A man was trying to prevent Moreira from seeing a little blond girl asleep on a pile of rags in the back of the white van. 

Rags are perfect, fairly soft, Ok for vomit, wee or anything else.  Also easy to hide her with ... a quick flick over of another rag, or two, if stopped.  Throw a rag out of the window if it got soiled, wipe her clean with a rag.   If a few filthy rags were part of the arrangements then if they were checked en route,  nobody is going to mess around sorting thru them, are they?
 

From there up to Campanha, which is where the main railway station for Oporto is.  The station is right on a clover leaf off that main road north.  They could have travelled it very easily by autoroute, but probably took the old N10 north, cos they arrived at a taxi (apparently near the back of the station) at 12.40 IIRC.  And IIRC there were video cameras at the pay booths on the auto route.  No pay booths close to cities tho; I guess to speed the traffic thru.

More than ample timing for the autoroute and probably perfect timing for the old fast route.  We drove the autoroute both ways for this Northern leg of the journey  . 


Now when she arrived there how did she get transferred to the taxi?

I will tell you my theory for that another time.  It's big

This is only a theory but it fits perfectly, it ensured that she would not be found in the searches the first night and thanks to the rags and probably a sleeping draft, or what ever, she arrived relatively clean and unscathed at Oporto


John this is the way that I think she went, 300 miles North.    Right back to where the first abduction of Jorge Sepulveda happened 14 years before ... and there were a series of sightings up there



Wonder why SY have made Oporto their base?


ETA: Thank you John. but the pertinent bit of the map corresponds to the early part of the video.  The walking part.  That  map shows the driven part... and if the Smiths saw bundleman then he was not driven away in that direction.

What is needed is a map to show where Bundleman actually walked and his route on the GE map in close up.  It needs a close up of the front north eastern half of block A and then some of the road stretching to the east.  I know peeps are having probs understanding.  Just wish I could post GE maps and youtubes.

If you have the time it would be good


Wonderful John. ?{)(**   I see you have posted it.  Thank you very much

sadie

stephen25000

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Re: Brilliant youtube showing how bundleman got away
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2013, 06:35:52 PM »
Bundleman is based on a 'thesis', but with no proof that 'he' ever existed.

Pure supposition.

Offline John

Re: Brilliant youtube showing how bundleman got away
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2013, 10:24:51 PM »
Actually Stephen, he is based on an eyewitness sighting.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.