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Offline slartibartfast

Re: The tracker dogs
« Reply #585 on: October 02, 2016, 08:47:47 PM »
True I read it as tracking dogs were deployed, but it was a difficult task due to the time that had lapsed.

Agreed, and in a human scent rich environment.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: The tracker dogs
« Reply #586 on: October 02, 2016, 09:00:27 PM »
Agreed, and in a human scent rich environment.
And then to follow that with whatever track they discover, and the parents say well "I took that path with Madeleine earlier", one is none the wiser.  If Madeleine had run around apartment 5 earlier we will never know if the tracker dogs were tracking this or her "final passage" around the building being carried by an abductor, or walking it again.

It would only come into its own if the tracking dogs took their handlers on a path that Madeleine was unlikely to have taken previously.
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Offline misty

Re: The tracker dogs
« Reply #587 on: October 02, 2016, 09:26:35 PM »
And then to follow that with whatever track they discover, and the parents say well "I took that path with Madeleine earlier", one is none the wiser.  If Madeleine had run around apartment 5 earlier we will never know if the tracker dogs were tracking this or her "final passage" around the building being carried by an abductor, or walking it again.

It would only come into its own if the tracking dogs took their handlers on a path that Madeleine was unlikely to have taken previously.

It doesn't make sense that the S&R dogs were tracking scent from a known route a few days earlier but failed to pick up scent going up the back steps. Perhaps if trailing dogs had been used.................

Offline Robittybob1

Re: The tracker dogs
« Reply #588 on: October 02, 2016, 09:34:51 PM »
It doesn't make sense that the S&R dogs were tracking scent from a known route a few days earlier but failed to pick up scent going up the back steps. Perhaps if trailing dogs had been used.................
But if there had been a hit and run car accident (minor injury) and the perpetrator picked up the child for whatever purpose the scent trail could end at the lamp post  in the carpark.
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Offline misty

Re: The tracker dogs
« Reply #589 on: October 02, 2016, 09:49:39 PM »
But if there had been a hit and run car accident (minor injury) and the perpetrator picked up the child for whatever purpose the scent trail could end at the lamp post  in the carpark.

If she'd climbed out the window, walked around the building, been knocked over & removed from the scene by the driver, then it's a possibility. Still doesn't explain why the dogs weren't interested in the rear gate/steps, though.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: The tracker dogs
« Reply #590 on: October 02, 2016, 09:53:54 PM »
If she'd climbed out the window, walked around the building, been knocked over & removed from the scene by the driver, then it's a possibility. Still doesn't explain why the dogs weren't interested in the rear gate/steps, though.
I could imagine this scenario:
If they were interested the handlers would take their dogs away from there thinking "well obviously her scent will be near this gate"  so it never featured in their report.
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Offline misty

Re: The tracker dogs
« Reply #591 on: October 02, 2016, 09:59:31 PM »
I could imagine this scenario:
If they were interested the handlers would take their dogs away from there thinking "well obviously her scent will be near this gate"  so it never featured in their report.

That would have been totally unprofessional. The handler should have gone where the dog(s) led him.

Offline mercury

Re: The tracker dogs
« Reply #592 on: October 02, 2016, 10:01:51 PM »
The Portuguese dogs were trained in different techniques which included ground and air scenting.
Thank you
But misty and ferryman still have a problem whch might be answered by them considering why would a non tracking dogs handlers ask for a personal item

Offline G-Unit

Re: The tracker dogs
« Reply #593 on: October 02, 2016, 10:20:31 PM »
And then to follow that with whatever track they discover, and the parents say well "I took that path with Madeleine earlier", one is none the wiser.  If Madeleine had run around apartment 5 earlier we will never know if the tracker dogs were tracking this or her "final passage" around the building being carried by an abductor.

It would only come into its own if the tracking dogs took their handlers on a path that Madeleine was unlikely to have taken previously.

The explanation by her father was forthcoming after the dogs followed that route. Her mother, as far as I know, has never mentioned the tracking at all except to imply the blanket was handed over later than it was. Perhaps she wasn't there when the children ran away? Gerry doesn't exactly say, he just says 'they';

 That, between Monday and Wednesday, not knowing the precise date, when they left the residence by the main door, to place the children in the respective creches, MADELEINE left [went] running to the left to the extreme opposite of the residential blocks where they were lodged, playing with the twins. That they had gone down to the furthest point away from those blocks, not knowing exactly how, the three children got into the gardens at the rear [of the blocks]. Then they followed the inside corridor [pathway] at the rear, next to the hedges [fences] up to the street that led to the secondary reception.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

On all three days MM was delivered to creche in the mornings by her father, as were the twins. This makes sense as Kate had an early tennis lesson.

It could have been that Kate left first in the mornings to play tennis so she wasn't there when the children ran away.
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Offline misty

Re: The tracker dogs
« Reply #594 on: October 02, 2016, 10:29:50 PM »
Thank you
But misty and ferryman still have a problem whch might be answered by them considering why would a non tracking dogs handlers ask for a personal item

In simple terms - you stick a dog in a field, you give it an item of clothing to scent then you ask the dog to find the source of the scent. That's called air-scenting/tracking.
A trailing dog works with its nose to the ground following a specific scent.

Offline Brietta

Re: The tracker dogs
« Reply #595 on: October 02, 2016, 10:38:41 PM »
The explanation by her father was forthcoming after the dogs followed that route. Her mother, as far as I know, has never mentioned the tracking at all except to imply the blanket was handed over later than it was. Perhaps she wasn't there when the children ran away? Gerry doesn't exactly say, he just says 'they';

 That, between Monday and Wednesday, not knowing the precise date, when they left the residence by the main door, to place the children in the respective creches, MADELEINE left [went] running to the left to the extreme opposite of the residential blocks where they were lodged, playing with the twins. That they had gone down to the furthest point away from those blocks, not knowing exactly how, the three children got into the gardens at the rear [of the blocks]. Then they followed the inside corridor [pathway] at the rear, next to the hedges [fences] up to the street that led to the secondary reception.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

On all three days MM was delivered to creche in the mornings by her father, as were the twins. This makes sense as Kate had an early tennis lesson.

It could have been that Kate left first in the mornings to play tennis so she wasn't there when the children ran away.

I think you make things seem so sinister by saying "when the children ran away".  They ran ahead in an enclosed area at all times, playing with each other and enjoying themselves.
Exactly as children are allowed to do.

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The children went sailing and swimming, played tennis and learned a dance routine for the end-of-week show. Each morning, our daughter ran ahead of us to get to the kiddie club. She was having a wonderful time. Jes signed up for tennis lessons. I read a book. He made friends. I read another book.  Bridget O'Donnell
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Offline mercury

Re: The tracker dogs
« Reply #596 on: October 02, 2016, 10:56:20 PM »
In simple terms - you stick a dog in a field, you give it an item of clothing to scent then you ask the dog to find the source of the scent. That's called air-scenting/tracking.
A trailing dog works with its nose to the ground following a specific scent.

You are having a laugh

Offline misty

Re: The tracker dogs
« Reply #597 on: October 02, 2016, 11:00:03 PM »
You are having a laugh

Do you ever read any of the links I post?

Offline mercury

Re: The tracker dogs
« Reply #598 on: October 02, 2016, 11:06:36 PM »
Do you ever read any of the links I post?

I do but I also read other links which betray yours
I dont do it for laughs


Offline misty

Re: The tracker dogs
« Reply #599 on: October 02, 2016, 11:11:06 PM »
I do but I also read other links which betray yours
I dont do it for laughs

Post #557.
I don't spend a lot of time researching stuff for laughs either.