Brainwashing and Kidnap at a young age.

[AnneGuedes]

Can brainwashing following kidnap at an early age leave any record of past existence? 

No little girl just 4 could resist the paedophile gang her father first suspected or a predator.
Her twins brother or sister were a better choice for adoption.
Unfortunately the chances she survived are almost null. Resilience has limits.

[Carana]

Hello Anne

indeed spending money on PI's would be risky, as it will always be in essence as they maynot find anything so in essence you can pay for nothing I suppose,  I haven't been able to see all the documents  relating to these but haven't some been arrested.

I don't know but it always struck me as a very very fast procedure, I must correct my earlier post myself in which I stated 9 days, it was actually 12 days

so we can assume which is not evidence or fact, that someone somewhere between the night of the 3rd and 15th came up with the idea to set up a ltd company , and of course we all know what to assume can be

first off you would need to apply for it, setup company bank accts which would require a anti money laundering process, submission of documents etc.

The main aspect which sometimes appears to take a back seat to the debating,  theorising and really just arguing is that unfortunately a child is missing, which upsets me

No little girl just 4 could resist the paedophile gang her father first suspected or a predator.
Her twins brother or sister were a better choice for adoption.
Unfortunately the chances she survived are almost null. Resilience has limits.

Personally, I would have thought that the Fritzl case was straight out of Stephen King's imagination... yet it happened and the victims were eventually found.

There is no proof that she is dead... however unlikely it may seem, she could still be alive somewhere. If, sadly, she's not, then finding her remains could take the case one step further.

[AnneGuedes]

Hello Anne

indeed spending money on PI's would be risky, as it will always be in essence as they maynot find anything so in essence you can pay for nothing I suppose,  I haven't been able to see all the documents  relating to these but haven't some been arrested.

I don't know but it always struck me as a very very fast procedure, I must correct my earlier post myself in which I stated 9 days, it was actually 12 days

so we can assume which is not evidence or fact, that someone somewhere between the night of the 3rd and 15th came up with the idea to set up a ltd company , and of course we all know what to assume can be

first off you would need to apply for it, setup company bank accts which would require a anti money laundering process, submission of documents etc.

The main aspect which sometimes appears to take a back seat to the debating,  theorising and really just arguing is that unfortunately a child is missing, which upsets me

No little girl just 4 could resist the paedophile gang her father first suspected or a predator.
Her twins brother or sister were a better choice for adoption.
Unfortunately the chances she survived are almost null. Resilience has limits.

Personally, I would have thought that the Fritzl case was straight out of Stephen King's imagination... yet it happened and the victims were eventually found.

There is no proof that she is dead... however unlikely it may seem, she could still be alive somewhere. If, sadly, she's not, then finding her remains could take the case one step further.

Those cave prisoners are all much older. Being just 4, Madeleine was nonetheless too old to forget her loving family, unless she was submitted to some radical brainwashing I've never heard of.

[Carana]

Hello Anne

indeed spending money on PI's would be risky, as it will always be in essence as they maynot find anything so in essence you can pay for nothing I suppose,  I haven't been able to see all the documents  relating to these but haven't some been arrested.

I don't know but it always struck me as a very very fast procedure, I must correct my earlier post myself in which I stated 9 days, it was actually 12 days

so we can assume which is not evidence or fact, that someone somewhere between the night of the 3rd and 15th came up with the idea to set up a ltd company , and of course we all know what to assume can be

first off you would need to apply for it, setup company bank accts which would require a anti money laundering process, submission of documents etc.

The main aspect which sometimes appears to take a back seat to the debating,  theorising and really just arguing is that unfortunately a child is missing, which upsets me

No little girl just 4 could resist the paedophile gang her father first suspected or a predator.
Her twins brother or sister were a better choice for adoption.
Unfortunately the chances she survived are almost null. Resilience has limits.

Personally, I would have thought that the Fritzl case was straight out of Stephen King's imagination... yet it happened and the victims were eventually found.

There is no proof that she is dead... however unlikely it may seem, she could still be alive somewhere. If, sadly, she's not, then finding her remains could take the case one step further.

Those cave prisoners are all much older. Being just 4, Madeleine was nonetheless too old to forget her loving family, unless she was submitted to some radical brainwashing I've never heard of.

What makes you convinced that a 4-year-old couldn't be subject to brainwashing?

[AnneGuedes]

If you had a link to articles concerning brainwashing on very young children, I'd appreciate very much, being totally ignorant on that topic. I'm sorry : I should have said it was just my intuition speaking !

[Carana]

If you had a link to articles concerning brainwashing on very young children, I'd appreciate very much, being totally ignorant on that topic. I'm sorry : I should have said it was just my intuition speaking !

I don't, which is why I am curious. I had perhaps mistakenly thought that you did have evidence that young children couldn't be brainwashed.

[debunker]

Without reinforcement from parents and others, very few people have real memories of their life before three years of age.

[AnneGuedes]

Yes but in this case there's at least a terrible emotional traumatism, difficult to imagine. At that age I was taken to my parents' friends because my mother was very sick. Nobody explained me what was happening. I still remember the feeling of despair, I kept crying, refusing to eat, to sleep, my father had to pick me up. Being at home, even without my mym, I recovered.

[Carana]

Yes but in this case there's at least a terrible emotional traumatism, difficult to imagine. At that age I was taken to my parents' friends because my mother was very sick. Nobody explained me what was happening. I still remember the feeling of despair, I kept crying, refusing to eat, to sleep, my father had to pick me up. Being at home, even without my mym, I recovered.

I can understand that that must have been traumatic for you. Sad indeed.

However, it doesn't explain how a young child could not be brainwashed by someone intent on doing so.

[AnneGuedes]

Before being possibly brainwashed the silent carried child had to be sedated : how ?

[gavdalf]

How and why has this got to brainwashing, this would be after the fact, and we don't even know the fact that this could or would be based on even if it was relevant

[AnneGuedes]

How and why has this got to brainwashing, this would be after the fact, and we don't even know the fact that this could or would be based on even if it was relevant

A just 4 one having the terrible shock of losing her family, home, friends and who knows mother language also, recovering happy ever after without some kind of amnesia process sounds implausible.

[gavdalf]

Hi Anne, you write very well

Ok I understand why the discussion then and if that is the case its very sad, but with a lot of this case we do not know,  but it also huge leap from the point of that we cant even state as fact there was an abduction to what maybe happening now if indeed an abduction took place , hope that make sense

[sadie]

Brain washing.  any age with MK Ultra, I believe, with Nazi and CIA origins, but aparantly used way back in history.  Even by the Shamans, I think


This is VERY DISTURBING STUFF.  Do not open unless you are of stout constution

http://vigilantcitizen.com/hidden-knowledge/origins-and-techniques-of-monarch-mind-control/

My understanding from reading several articles is that ...Basically it depends on destroying the subjects soul, by splitting it in multiple directions.  Then the subject becomes a nonenity as a person.  A new set of criteria/morales are installed making the subject into an uncomplaining sex slave, a murderer, a drug runner .... Full control of the subjects mind ...what ever is wished by the controller.

The mind is split by severe cruelty and deprivation allied with drugs, hypnotism, sounds and reward etc.  The CIA have perfected it.  The memory can be altered, or wiped out.  It is used by Elites and the Illuminati and Secret Societies even today ...according to the above article.


It is mentioned in a gentle way in the Harry Potter books ... but you have to look for it.

[Luz]

There is a lot of plausible abduction theories, but no plausible theory which excludes "abduction by stranger to Tapas 9" ...

Only as an example the simplest (though maybe not the truest) abduction theory:

An unplanned abduction. The offender without a car was looking for a apartment to "break" (PdL is a very safe place but with a lot of "breakings" which means entering the apartment/house with or without damage to steal something). He found 5A window in a dark place. He opened the window form the outside (glass panes unlocked). Madeleine went to the window, somnolent and very tired, thinking he was one of her parents.  He (versatile offender) caught her at 21:45. Jane saw him. The Smiths saw him.

I always think is very difficult to keep a secret on such a famous case if more than one person knows what really happened ...

Heri.

This is merely an hypothesis, where is your thesis?

I received Christmas presents religiously for 6 years until I decided I preferred the money because I din't like the presents, and I wrote that to Santa
When I lost my first tooth, mother told me to put it under the pillow and the Tooth Fairy would give me 500$00(2,5€ , old times, don't laugh), and the bank note was there.

Is there any proof that Santa Claus does not exist?
Is there any proof that the tooth Fairy does not exist?

For a child brain's, before those evidences, of course those proves were enough. But are they enough for a grown up?

Just because 2 persons come up with 2 accounts (one of them referring the father, not an abductor) that they saw a person with a child, that is not proof that a certain situation is what we think it is.
Many have asked why didn't the person that Jane Tanner saw never came out and related what he was doing, well, maybe because there was not such person.
Why didn't the Smith's testimony come out? Considering that Mr. Smith thought that "it" looked a lot like Mr. McCann it's difficult to consider Mr. McCann self appointing himself of being "it".

But are there facts that deny a non-abduction?! YES, there are, unfortunately facts that point(I don't say prove) to a fatal accident/death.

Perceptions are not facts and facts only make sense within a frame of meaning that must be construed after sufficient and solid co-current observations.

If there are enough observations to build an hypothesis that the child died, that thesis has yet to be proven beyond doubt.




P.S. I stopped believing in Santa Claus (in my case it was Baby Jesus) when I was 4, I just dribbled mother&father until I could negotiate with them