At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?

[Brietta]

Important to the police perhaps if the McCanns are being investigated, but largely more important I suspect to current investigators, because the child could have been missing for 1hr+ before they were called. Madeleine could have been 80 miles away by then. Though, from what we have seen all the signs seem to point to a more local connection.

He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.

That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child’s father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm


Even at this remove anyone with a modicum of common sense cannot fail to have a bit of an understanding of the panic which must have occurred when Madeleine was found to be gone.
Which shines through in the statements made in the immediate aftermath of the discovery.

I think the initial connection was local as you say ... but I think you are wrong in thinking Madeleine was not well away probably even before her mother found she was missing.

[Anna]

Please stay on topic and do not disrupt the thread. Thank You

[Alfred R Jones]

The police were called at 10.41, why is there any dispute about this??  The only dispute seems to be about whether or not the McCanns and their friends should have called them earlier on the mobile phones and for some to berate them for not doing so, or for not shaking receptionists by the throat until they did so.   Again I ask, what purpose does this serve?

[pathfinder73]

The police were called at 10.41, why is there any dispute about this??  The only dispute seems to be about whether or not the McCanns and their friends should have called them earlier on the mobile phones and for some to berate them for not doing so, or for not shaking receptionists by the throat until they did so.   Again I ask, what purpose does this serve?

What would you do if you were certain your child had been abducted through an open window?

1. Would you examine shutters and waste precious time?

OR

2. Would you call the police with your mobile phone to try and apprehend the abductor asap?

[lordpookles]

He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.

That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child’s father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm


Even at this remove anyone with a modicum of common sense cannot fail to have a bit of an understanding of the panic which must have occurred when Madeleine was found to be gone.
Which shines through in the statements made in the immediate aftermath of the discovery.

I think the initial connection was local as you say ... but I think you are wrong in thinking Madeleine was not well away probably even before her mother found she was missing.

Yes that is the possibility that she was well away. Whether she was we can only speculate I suppose... although given the supposed elimination of tannerman; someone going by car makes more sense to me...

I expect had Matt known of the open window then he would have been more forceful. Especially if either of the parents had been there. Empty room, window open, abduction would be my first thought... sickening.

[mercury]

What would you do if you were certain your child had been abducted through an open window?

1. Would you examine shutters and waste precious time?

OR

2. Would you call the police with your mobile phone to try and apprehend the abductor asap?

Quite right.
I would like to know why they were "tested" at all, seeing as a humungous patio door was left unsecured, and what difference would it have made at all what the point of entry or exit was. Anyone got any ideas on that last point?

Pre-empting  police?? That could be construed as a sign of something to hide/meddling.

[Alice Purjorick]

The police were called at 10.41, why is there any dispute about this?? The only dispute seems to be about whether or not the McCanns and their friends should have called them earlier on the mobile phones and for some to berate them for not doing so, or for not shaking receptionists by the throat until they did so.   Again I ask, what purpose does this serve?

Because the long running Telegraph Online Thingy says it was 10:14? or
Because 10:14 then offers an opportunity to slag off the GNR for delays?
The main issue as has been posted before is: "Did OC/MW have a procedure to follow in the event of notification of a missing child, was the procedure suitable and was it implemented when notified"?
Any discussion relating to the efficacy of the procedure by poorly informed journalistic hacks and internet pundits being largely irrelevant.
It serves no purpose other than to underline the poor argument presented by some that these people were so superior in intellect and ability compared with the average Joe and as a consequence blah blah blah.
They were no different from a lot of people who rarely go abroad except for a holiday.

[Alfred R Jones]

Because the long running Telegraph Online Thingy says it was 10:14? or
Because 10:14 then offers an opportunity to slag off the GNR for delays?
The main issue as has been posted before is: "Did OC/MW have a procedure to follow in the event of notification of a missing child, was the procedure suitable and was it implemented when notified"?
Any discussion relating to the efficacy of the procedure by poorly informed journalistic hacks and internet pundits being largely irrelevant.
It serves no purpose other than to underline the poor argument presented by some that these people were so superior in intellect and ability compared with the average Joe and as a consequence blah blah blah.
They were no different from a lot of people who rarely go abroad except for a holiday.

LOL and there was me thinking it served no purpose other than to slag off the McCanns and friends for not calling the police the instant they discovered Madeleine missing (see Pathfinder's post above as an example).

[Alfred R Jones]

What would you do if you were certain your child had been abducted through an open window?

1. Would you examine shutters and waste precious time?

OR

2. Would you call the police with your mobile phone to try and apprehend the abductor asap?

How many minutes did Gerry spend examining the shutters?  Kate may have felt certain that Madeleine had been abducted but was that the view of them all, at 10pm on the evening of 3rd May?  My 3 year old went missing in a public place a few years ago, she could have been abducted but she may have just been separated from us when following us out of a crowded shopping centre (we parents each thought the other had her).  Should I have instantly called the police once I knew she wasn't with us, or should I have spent a few minutes looking for her first?  As it happens she was found within 3 or 4 minutes, calling the police the instant she disappeared would have been something of an over-reaction, but what if she actually had been abducted - would you be criticising me too?

[mercury]

LOL and there was me thinking it served no purpose other than to slag off the McCanns and friends for not calling the police the instant they discovered Madeleine missing (see Pathfinder's post above as an example).

No it's saying the police were called almost immediately when patently that is not the case. And by inference and various statements suggesting the police took ages to arrive, (insert lazy,incompetent, tweedles and drums etc etc) when they patently did not.

[Carana]

Someone thought to get someone to ring the police fairly quickly. The MW missing child protocol was set in motion immediately.

I haven't really followed the the phone records saga.

Wasn't there an earlier call to a GNR mobile number?

And 30 minutes after the alert to the reception the GNR station was alerted.

In the circumstances, running to the reception to alert them seems to have been a sensible course of action. The reception was informed of the emergency, but the point was to find her as fast as possible and she could still have been in the village.

Useless time could have been spent waiting to find someone who spoke English on 112, then having to explain the situation and then, "Your address, please?" "Ocean Club", Praia da Something". "Praia da what?" "Praia da Luz". "Where in the Ocean Club?" "On the corner near the tennis courts and a swimming pool." "Which tennis courts and which swimming pool?"...

Hiow many patrol cars would the GNR have had available at that time of night in pre-peak tourist season? When called, they came as quickly as they could, but it still took time to take notes as to what had happened and all the rest of it. In the meantime, the MW protocol was actually what was in place to look for her.

The parents were convinced that she'd been abducted, but there was always that hope that she'd woken and wandered, or that an abductor had dumped her within the village.

[jassi]

Someone thought to get someone to ring the police fairly quickly. The MW missing child protocol was set in motion immediately.

I haven't really followed the the phone records saga.

Wasn't there an earlier call to a GNR mobile number?

And 30 minutes after the alert to the reception the GNR station was alerted.

In the circumstances, running to the reception to alert them seems to have been a sensible course of action. The reception was informed of the emergency, but the point was to find her as fast as possible and she could still have been in the village.

Useless time could have been spent waiting to find someone who spoke English on 112, then having to explain the situation and then, "Your address, please?" "Ocean Club", Praia da Something". "Praia da what?" "Praia da Luz". "Where in the Ocean Club?" "On the corner near the tennis courts and a swimming pool." "Which tennis courts and which swimming pool?"...

Hiow many patrol cars would the GNR have had available at that time of night in pre-peak tourist season? When called, they came as quickly as they could, but it still took time to take notes as to what had happened and all the rest of it. In the meantime, the MW protocol was actually what was in place to look for her.

The parents were convinced that she'd been abducted, but there was always that hope that she'd woken and wandered, or that an abductor had dumped her within the village.

If that was the case, it just goes to show that there is a right way of doing things and a wrong way.

[mercury]

Someone thought to get someone to ring the police fairly quickly. The MW missing child protocol was set in motion immediately.

I haven't really followed the the phone records saga.

Wasn't there an earlier call to a GNR mobile number?

And 30 minutes after the alert to the reception the GNR station was alerted.

No but do feel free to cite

[mercury]

How many minutes did Gerry spend examining the shutters? 

Why examine them in the first place? For what purpose?

[pegasus]

112 operators in Portugal do speak English
http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/112-portugal