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Offline Brietta

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #360 on: July 23, 2015, 04:57:20 PM »
112 operators in Portugal do speak English
http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/112-portugal

I don't think it was as simple as that Pegasus.  There are a couple of reports from witnesses who had problems using the phone because of language difficulties (it was discussed on an earlier thread) and even yet it doesn't appear to be as fail safe as it should be ...

**snip
Many citizens also reported having had language problems: one in ten people had problems in communicating in another language when calling 112 from abroad, despite Member States saying their 112 emergency centres were prepared to deal with the calls at least in English.
http://www.flytap.com/Portugal/en/informations-and-services/single-emergency-number-for-europe

I think the most efficient course of action ... although we now know it was not ... was to have gone to reception and used the native speaker there to relay an emergency call to the authorities.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #361 on: July 23, 2015, 04:59:48 PM »
The point being none of the tapas 9 even tried

Offline Benice

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #362 on: July 23, 2015, 06:27:44 PM »
The point being none of the tapas 9 even tried

They decided to go to Reception instead - where they knew staff spoke English as well as Portuguese - who knew the number to ring and who could phone the police with no possibility of the language barrier being a problem.   Also had they not done that then the Missing child procedure would not have been put into operation as quickly as it was. 
   
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( Thank you mercury for that info on another thread about the investigation into the Leic. police officer)
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Offline G-Unit

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #363 on: July 23, 2015, 07:08:13 PM »
They decided to go to Reception instead - where they knew staff spoke English as well as Portuguese - who knew the number to ring and who could phone the police with no possibility of the language barrier being a problem.   Also had they not done that then the Missing child procedure would not have been put into operation as quickly as it was. 
   
PS
( Thank you mercury for that info on another thread about the investigation into the Leic. police officer)

I can see no connection between the two? Matthew went to reception. Amy Tierney phoned Lyndsey from the night creche because a parent told her people had lost a child.

She indicates that on May 3rd 2007, at around 10.20pm, she was informed by her colleague Amy T. that Madeleine McCann had disappeared. At that, she immediately launched the "missing child" procedure.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LYNSAY-JAYNE.htm

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Offline pegasus

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #364 on: July 23, 2015, 08:01:32 PM »
Evening creche is located in same building, above 24-hour reception.

Offline Carana

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #365 on: July 23, 2015, 08:04:00 PM »
I can see no connection between the two? Matthew went to reception. Amy Tierney phoned Lyndsey from the night creche because a parent told her people had lost a child.

She indicates that on May 3rd 2007, at around 10.20pm, she was informed by her colleague Amy T. that Madeleine McCann had disappeared. At that, she immediately launched the "missing child" procedure.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LYNSAY-JAYNE.htm

There were presumably several people trying to get the word out that she'd disappeared. The parent who told Amy must have heard it from someone.


Offline G-Unit

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #366 on: July 23, 2015, 08:18:10 PM »
Evening creche is located in same building, above 24-hour reception.


I'm aware of that, but the missing child procedure wasn't connected to any of the Tapas group as far as we know. It was begun by Lyndsey following a call from Amy who heard it from a mother collecting a child. We haven't been told how the mother knew or who she was.
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Offline mercury

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #367 on: July 23, 2015, 09:22:17 PM »
I can see no connection between the two? Matthew went to reception. Amy Tierney phoned Lyndsey from the night creche because a parent told her people had lost a child.

She indicates that on May 3rd 2007, at around 10.20pm, she was informed by her colleague Amy T. that Madeleine McCann had disappeared. At that, she immediately launched the "missing child" procedure.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LYNSAY-JAYNE.htm
I see what youre  saying but there were loads of englsh speaking people around them aT the time, ino would have been first port of call rather than running to the reception area mikes away so to speak

Offline pegasus

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #368 on: July 23, 2015, 10:37:23 PM »
I see what youre  saying but there were loads of englsh speaking people around them aT the time, ino would have been first port of call rather than running to the reception area mikes away so to speak
Maybe the reason for going to reception was things together? To notify the holiday company and to notify police. ETA also to search the route between 5A and lobsters a route the child knew. Three things together.

Offline mercury

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #369 on: July 24, 2015, 12:33:19 AM »
Maybe the reason for going to reception was things together? To notify the holiday company and to notify police. ETA also to search the route between 5A and lobsters a route the child knew. Three things together.

Err no

You dont decide to go to an english speaking centre because en route you will have the opportunity of  looking for a missing child "as well"
you go there if there is no alternative
there were many alternatives before that

Offline pegasus

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #370 on: July 24, 2015, 12:43:22 AM »
Err no

You dont decide to go to an english speaking centre because en route you will have the opportunity of  looking for a missing child "as well"
you go there if there is no alternative
there were many alternatives before that
Yes even if they didn't know 112 they could have simply asked anyone to phone police.

Offline mercury

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #371 on: July 24, 2015, 12:48:55 AM »
Yes even if they didn't know 112 they could have simply asked anyone to phone police.
exactly which makes it sad we are even having this conversation, fact remains no one ensured police were called before 10.41 that night, thats 40 minutes after an assured abduction! well, more in reality if the mccanns assert she was "taken" at 9.15


Offline Lace

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #372 on: July 24, 2015, 09:44:11 AM »
I see what youre  saying but there were loads of englsh speaking people around them aT the time, ino would have been first port of call rather than running to the reception area mikes away so to speak

Oh come off it mercury running to the reception area was what most people would do.

Offline Lace

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #373 on: July 24, 2015, 09:47:30 AM »
exactly which makes it sad we are even having this conversation, fact remains no one ensured police were called before 10.41 that night, thats 40 minutes after an assured abduction! well, more in reality if the mccanns assert she was "taken" at 9.15

Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it,    in the middle of the absolute terror of not being able to find your child,  after asking Matt to call the police,   screaming with frustration they are going to think 'did the reception call the police?'   I believe the OC manager asked them to be called again.

Stop trying to blame the parents.

Offline Benice

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #374 on: July 24, 2015, 10:22:05 AM »
Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it,    in the middle of the absolute terror of not being able to find your child,  after asking Matt to call the police,   screaming with frustration they are going to think 'did the reception call the police?'   I believe the OC manager asked them to be called again.

Stop trying to blame the parents.

We're back to the..... ''If the parents didn't do exactly what I would have done in their circumstances - then they are wrong because I know far better than they do''  argument. 

 Unless they have been in those same circumstances themselves - they don't know how they would react - they only think they do.   IMo

So easy to pass judgement on others from the comfort of your own home and with the 20/20 vision of hindsight.   


   
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal