At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?

[icabodcrane]

What strikes me about the extract from Kate's book posted by you John is if the McCanns were pleading with people to phone the police too why did Gerry refuse Mrs Fenn's offer to call them ?

Yes, that struck me as being significant too ...  the more people raising the alarm the better, yet Gerry rejected a direct offer to call the police

Even more significant, though, is the fact that Gerry himself had been at the 24 hour reception but made no demand for the police to called while was there ...  did not even ask whether the police had been called already and stress that they were needed urgently

He just went back to the apartment and asked Matthew to go back to the 24 hour reception and do what he had chosen not to do himself while he was there

Just to follow on from my post above,  I should mention that I was going by Kate's book alone  ...  she says that Gerry asked Matthew to go to the 24 hour reception to ask them to call the police at just after 10.10pm.  She adds that when the police still hadn't arrived at 10.35pm  Gerry again  asked Matthew to go back to the 24 hour reception and find out what was happening

Kate mentions that at some point Gerry had been to the Mini Club  (  above the 24 hour reception )  to see if Madeleine had made her own way there after being left somewhere )  She makes no mention of Gerry, himself,  having made any request to reception for the police to be called

From Gerry's 7th September interview there is this though  :

When asked why instead of scouring the land next to the complex they remained inside the apartment, he replies that it did not happen that way. While guests and resort workers were searching, he went to themain reception to check whether they had called the police,  and told Kate to wait inside the apartment. After returning from reception he went back into the apartment where he stayed in the living room and in their bedroom

So Gerry had gone to the 24 hour reception to ask about calling the police  ( according to his own witness statement )  yet, in her book,  Kate contradicts this and says it was Matthew who did it ( twice ) at Gerry's request

What to believe ?

[gilet]

Just to follow on from my post above,  I should mention that I was going by Kate's book alone  ...  she says that Gerry asked Matthew to go to the 24 hour reception to ask them to call the police at just after 10.10pm.  She adds that when the police still hadn't arrived at 10.35pm  Gerry again  asked Matthew to go back to the 24 hour reception and find out what was happening

Kate mentions that at some point Gerry had been to the Mini Club  (  above the 24 hour reception )  to see if Madeleine had made her own way there after being left somewhere )  She makes no mention of Gerry, himself,  having made any request to reception for the police to be called

From Gerry's 7th September interview there is this though  :

When asked why instead of scouring the land next to the complex they remained inside the apartment, he replies that it did not happen that way. While guests and resort workers were searching, he went to themain reception to check whether they had called the police,  and told Kate to wait inside the apartment. After returning from reception he went back into the apartment where he stayed in the living room and in their bedroom

So Gerry had gone to the 24 hour reception to ask about calling the police  ( according to his own witness statement )  yet, in her book,  Kate contradicts this and says it was Matthew who did it ( twice ) at Gerry's request

What to believe ?

Both accounts.

Because there is absolutely no contradiction at all.

One focuses on the phone call and one focuses on the search for the child.

There is nothing there that suggests Gerry did not at some point ask Matthew to go back and check.  Matt asked them, Gerry checked probably while also checking the club, and later when they had not arrived asked Matthew to recheck. That is how it reads to me.

Nothing contradictory at all.

[Redblossom]

What to believe? Not KMs book for sure

[gilet]

What to believe? Not KMs book for sure

Why?

[John]

I do agree Benice, Gerry's first thoughts at going to the 24-Hr Reception was to see if Maddie had wandered down there, to the Club, a route she knew quite well.  He would have indicated a potential problem to staff but they appear not to have acted on it.  Going by what Mat states in his interviews the reception staff were dismissive of his request to call the police even later on which is corroborated by the telephone records which show that the receptionist never phoned the GNR until 10.41pm having most probably got a flea in his ear from manager John Hill.

All that wasted time.

[icabodcrane]

Just to follow on from my post above,  I should mention that I was going by Kate's book alone  ...  she says that Gerry asked Matthew to go to the 24 hour reception to ask them to call the police at just after 10.10pm.  She adds that when the police still hadn't arrived at 10.35pm  Gerry again  asked Matthew to go back to the 24 hour reception and find out what was happening

Kate mentions that at some point Gerry had been to the Mini Club  (  above the 24 hour reception )  to see if Madeleine had made her own way there after being left somewhere )  She makes no mention of Gerry, himself,  having made any request to reception for the police to be called

From Gerry's 7th September interview there is this though  :

When asked why instead of scouring the land next to the complex they remained inside the apartment, he replies that it did not happen that way. While guests and resort workers were searching, he went to themain reception to check whether they had called the police,  and told Kate to wait inside the apartment. After returning from reception he went back into the apartment where he stayed in the living room and in their bedroom

So Gerry had gone to the 24 hour reception to ask about calling the police  ( according to his own witness statement )  yet, in her book,  Kate contradicts this and says it was Matthew who did it ( twice ) at Gerry's request

What to believe ?

Both accounts.

Because there is absolutely no contradiction at all.

One focuses on the phone call and one focuses on the search for the child.

There is nothing there that suggests Gerry did not at some point ask Matthew to go back and check.

But why did Kate omit to mention that Gerry, himself,  had been to the 24 hour reception to ask about calling the police ?

[gilet]

Both accounts.

Because there is absolutely no contradiction at all.

One focuses on the phone call and one focuses on the search for the child.

There is nothing there that suggests Gerry did not at some point ask Matthew to go back and check.

But why did Kate omit to mention that Gerry, himself,  had been to the 24 hour reception to ask about calling the police ?

Brevity? Not every breath, thought and action is reported in the book. The editors would have a fit if they were.

Perhaps she thought that as this was in the context of the paragraphs of searching and calling the police there was enough detail. Perhaps she was highlighting the different aspects of the searching?

I repeat there is absolutely no contradiction as you claimed in those few pages of the book relating to the calling of the police.

That you are nit-picking over the fact that Kate did not mention every single action that everybody undertook that evening is to my mind rather pointless.

[Eleanor]

I do agree Benice, Gerry's first thoughts at going to the 24-Hr Reception was to see if Maddie had wandered down there, to the Club, a route she knew quite well.  He would have indicated a potential problem to staff but they appear not to have acted on it.  Going by what Mat states in his interviews the reception staff were dismissive of his request to call the police even later on which is corroborated by the telephone records which show that the receptionist never phoned the GNR until 10.41pm having most probably got a flea in his ear from manager John Hill.

All that wasted time.

Phew.  Glad that's cleared up.

[icabodcrane]

Both accounts.

Because there is absolutely no contradiction at all.

One focuses on the phone call and one focuses on the search for the child.

There is nothing there that suggests Gerry did not at some point ask Matthew to go back and check.

But why did Kate omit to mention that Gerry, himself,  had been to the 24 hour reception to ask about calling the police ?

Brevity? Not every breath, thought and action is reported in the book. The editors would have a fit if they were.

Perhaps she thought that as this was in the context of the paragraphs of searching and calling the police there was enough detail. Perhaps she was highlighting the different aspects of the searching?

I repeat there is absolutely no contradiction as you claimed in those few pages of the book relating to the calling of the police.

That you are nit-picking over the fact that Kate did not mention every single action that everybody undertook that evening is to my mind rather pointless.

The thrust of that particular part of the book was the frustration and anguish they were suffering as a direct consequence of the delay in the police arriving

Yet Kate, whilst recalling Gerry having twice asked Matthew to go and ask at reception,  makes no mention of Gerry having gone there himself to ask about the police

[gilet]

Both accounts.

Because there is absolutely no contradiction at all.

One focuses on the phone call and one focuses on the search for the child.

There is nothing there that suggests Gerry did not at some point ask Matthew to go back and check.

But why did Kate omit to mention that Gerry, himself,  had been to the 24 hour reception to ask about calling the police ?

Brevity? Not every breath, thought and action is reported in the book. The editors would have a fit if they were.

Perhaps she thought that as this was in the context of the paragraphs of searching and calling the police there was enough detail. Perhaps she was highlighting the different aspects of the searching?

I repeat there is absolutely no contradiction as you claimed in those few pages of the book relating to the calling of the police.

That you are nit-picking over the fact that Kate did not mention every single action that everybody undertook that evening is to my mind rather pointless.

The thrust of that particular part of the book was the frustration and anguish they were suffering as a direct consequence of the delay in the police arriving

Yet Kate, whilst recalling Gerry having twice asked Matthew to go and ask at reception,  makes no mention of Gerry having gone there himself to ask about the police

And you think that proves what exactly?

[Benice]

Both accounts.

Because there is absolutely no contradiction at all.

One focuses on the phone call and one focuses on the search for the child.

There is nothing there that suggests Gerry did not at some point ask Matthew to go back and check.

But why did Kate omit to mention that Gerry, himself,  had been to the 24 hour reception to ask about calling the police ?

Brevity? Not every breath, thought and action is reported in the book. The editors would have a fit if they were.

Perhaps she thought that as this was in the context of the paragraphs of searching and calling the police there was enough detail. Perhaps she was highlighting the different aspects of the searching?

I repeat there is absolutely no contradiction as you claimed in those few pages of the book relating to the calling of the police.

That you are nit-picking over the fact that Kate did not mention every single action that everybody undertook that evening is to my mind rather pointless.

The thrust of that particular part of the book was the frustration and anguish they were suffering as a direct consequence of the delay in the police arriving

Yet Kate, whilst recalling Gerry having twice asked Matthew to go and ask at reception,  makes no mention of Gerry having gone there himself to ask about the police

So she didn't mention it  - so what is so sinister about that?   

[icabodcrane]

Both accounts.

Because there is absolutely no contradiction at all.

One focuses on the phone call and one focuses on the search for the child.

There is nothing there that suggests Gerry did not at some point ask Matthew to go back and check.

But why did Kate omit to mention that Gerry, himself,  had been to the 24 hour reception to ask about calling the police ?

Brevity? Not every breath, thought and action is reported in the book. The editors would have a fit if they were.

Perhaps she thought that as this was in the context of the paragraphs of searching and calling the police there was enough detail. Perhaps she was highlighting the different aspects of the searching?

I repeat there is absolutely no contradiction as you claimed in those few pages of the book relating to the calling of the police.

That you are nit-picking over the fact that Kate did not mention every single action that everybody undertook that evening is to my mind rather pointless.

The thrust of that particular part of the book was the frustration and anguish they were suffering as a direct consequence of the delay in the police arriving

Yet Kate, whilst recalling Gerry having twice asked Matthew to go and ask at reception,  makes no mention of Gerry having gone there himself to ask about the police

So she didn't mention it  - so what is so sinister about that?

I didn't say it was  'sinister'  I said it was significant  ...  and it is in relation to this thread, which asks when the police were first contacted, and by whom

We are told, by Gerry, through his police statement, that he went to the 24 hour reception to ask about the police

So what time was that ?  ... what did they tell him ? ...   did they tell him that the police had already been called, or that that the police had  not been called yet ...   what was Gerry's response,  did he insist that the police be called there and then in his presence,  or did he not ? 

This is very relevent detail  (  especially with a view to the McCanns subsequent berating of the police response )   so why hasn't Gerry given those details ?  ...  and why did Kate not take the opportunity to give them in her book ?

[Benice]

Both accounts.

Because there is absolutely no contradiction at all.

One focuses on the phone call and one focuses on the search for the child.

There is nothing there that suggests Gerry did not at some point ask Matthew to go back and check.

But why did Kate omit to mention that Gerry, himself,  had been to the 24 hour reception to ask about calling the police ?

Brevity? Not every breath, thought and action is reported in the book. The editors would have a fit if they were.

Perhaps she thought that as this was in the context of the paragraphs of searching and calling the police there was enough detail. Perhaps she was highlighting the different aspects of the searching?

I repeat there is absolutely no contradiction as you claimed in those few pages of the book relating to the calling of the police.

That you are nit-picking over the fact that Kate did not mention every single action that everybody undertook that evening is to my mind rather pointless.

The thrust of that particular part of the book was the frustration and anguish they were suffering as a direct consequence of the delay in the police arriving

Yet Kate, whilst recalling Gerry having twice asked Matthew to go and ask at reception,  makes no mention of Gerry having gone there himself to ask about the police

So she didn't mention it  - so what is so sinister about that?

I didn't say it was  'sinister'  I said it was significant  ...  and it is in relation to this thread, which asks when the police were first contacted, and by whom

We are told, by Gerry, through his police statement, that he went to the 24 hour reception to ask about the police

So what time was that ?  ... what did they tell him ? ...   did they tell him that the police had already been called, or that that the police had  not been called yet ...   what was Gerry's response,  did he insist that the police be called there and then in his presence,  or did he not ? 

This is very relevent detail  (  especially with a view to the McCanns subsequent berating of the police response )   so why hasn't Gerry given those details ?  ...  and why did Kate not take the opportunity to give them in her book ?

You may think it's significant but apparently Kate didn't when she was writing her book.   She gave a description of what happened in the hour after Madeleine had been abducted.   I don't suppose for a second that she has mentioned every single thing she remembers  - or every single thing everyone did that she knows about.   She was writing a book not a minute by minute report.   It would have been set of volumes had she done that.     

The phrase 'You can't please all of the people all of the time' springs to mind.

[amaraltheofficeboy]

Both accounts.

Because there is absolutely no contradiction at all.

One focuses on the phone call and one focuses on the search for the child.

There is nothing there that suggests Gerry did not at some point ask Matthew to go back and check.

But why did Kate omit to mention that Gerry, himself,  had been to the 24 hour reception to ask about calling the police ?

Brevity? Not every breath, thought and action is reported in the book. The editors would have a fit if they were.

Perhaps she thought that as this was in the context of the paragraphs of searching and calling the police there was enough detail. Perhaps she was highlighting the different aspects of the searching?

I repeat there is absolutely no contradiction as you claimed in those few pages of the book relating to the calling of the police.

That you are nit-picking over the fact that Kate did not mention every single action that everybody undertook that evening is to my mind rather pointless.

The thrust of that particular part of the book was the frustration and anguish they were suffering as a direct consequence of the delay in the police arriving

Yet Kate, whilst recalling Gerry having twice asked Matthew to go and ask at reception,  makes no mention of Gerry having gone there himself to ask about the police

So she didn't mention it  - so what is so sinister about that?

I didn't say it was  'sinister'  I said it was significant  ...  and it is in relation to this thread, which asks when the police were first contacted, and by whom

We are told, by Gerry, through his police statement, that he went to the 24 hour reception to ask about the police

So what time was that ?  ... what did they tell him ? ...   did they tell him that the police had already been called, or that that the police had  not been called yet ...   what was Gerry's response,  did he insist that the police be called there and then in his presence,  or did he not ? 

This is very relevent detail  (  especially with a view to the McCanns subsequent berating of the police response )   so why hasn't Gerry given those details ?  ...  and why did Kate not take the opportunity to give them in her book ?

you don't even know the layout or anything

[gilet]

So she didn't mention it  - so what is so sinister about that?

I didn't say it was  'sinister'  I said it was significant  ...  and it is in relation to this thread, which asks when the police were first contacted, and by whom

We are told, by Gerry, through his police statement, that he went to the 24 hour reception to ask about the police

So what time was that ?  ... what did they tell him ? ...   did they tell him that the police had already been called, or that that the police had  not been called yet ...   what was Gerry's response,  did he insist that the police be called there and then in his presence,  or did he not ? 

This is very relevent detail  (  especially with a view to the McCanns subsequent berating of the police response )   so why hasn't Gerry given those details ?  ...  and why did Kate not take the opportunity to give them in her book ?

In my view it it utterly insignificant and is merely a form of nitpicking.

One account refers to the fact that Gerry checked the kids club. This may have been at the same time as he went to the Reception. We do not know for sure.

Another account written with a completely different focus some years previously relates the fact that Gerry went to the reception. Perhaps he insisted then, perhaps not.  We really do not know and probably never will.

There is no inconsistency or discrepancy at all, no significance whatsoever.

You still have failed to explain what you think any of this proves.