The Magnanimous and Clever McCanns

[amaraltheofficeboy]

granville the fridge magnet and son

[debunker]

Debunker wrote:

'I used to play Loose head prop and linebacker in my youth for which you need brain, brawn and bodily presence.'

unquote

good on you mate - what a guy - didn't you also reveal about your good self that you were a conscientious objector who got out of the draft - by buying bricks - and you lecture on scientific stuff around the world...etc. etc.

ENOUGH ALREADY ABOUT YOUR SUPPOSED SELF

It's the essence of your posts that (sometimes) interests me

Not your self - pronounced prowess in all fields

steady on fellow - you would not want to be accused of being an onanist now, would you?

Well you confirm that you are certainly a right wnker.

[Rachel Granada]

Anne - if a complete stranger had taken to writing long articles about you on the internet, travelled long distances to visit your neighbourhood, taken photos of your house, visited your local pub, stalked your facebook page, implied that you keep the company of paedophiles etc would you have anything to worry about or not?

Rachel, I would of course ask help and not let myself be intimidated in such a grotesque way. I'm rather surprised because I saw in Lisbon court two fellows related (I think) to Mr Bennett and they seemed to be very inoffensive.

Grenville Green and his son, perchance? I believe that Green and his wife were involved in the posting of hate leaflets in Mr and Mrs McCanns' home village,

I am very pleased that the McCanns and Mr Smethust fought back against the smear campaign that they were being subjected to.  Why should anyone have to put up with harrassment on this scale?

[AnneGuedes]

I think that Bennett has clearly demonstrated his stupidity in his total misunderstanding of the nature of the case which he faced in the High Court.

Everybody else understood that it was a simply judgement as to whether he had breached his undertakings or not.

Bennett stupidly tried to pretend that it was not and tried to introduce a spurious witness and totally irrelevant claims.

He was either deliberately attempting to disrupt the court or was being stupid.

Either way, it was a stupid thing to do. It got him a criminal record and serious costs to pay for absolutely no gain.

On the subject of the ruling against him, Bennett has been given a criminal record and has had to agree not to tell his lies any more. He has had to pay a token towards the costs.

That the McCanns and their lawyers (as well as Smethurst and Kennedy) have not taken him to the cleaners financially and demanded he be imprisoned for his actions is incredibly magnanimous.

That magnanimity is entirely separate from and not, as Anne Guedes claims, dependent on any cleverness.

It was well within their rights to demand far more money and immediate imprisonment. They simply chose not to do that.

It is also a clever compromise in that it, although punishing him for his criminal actions, allows Bennett total liberty to live a full life whilst permanently reminding him of the responsibilities which the Judge pointed out he had been ignoring.

Gilet, I don't believe in sanctity as I'm not a RC ! But, also, I don't claim people are stupid, I find this really stupid, I try to understand, unfortunately you don't. You should read Spinoza.
You were born too late, Gilet. I'm sorry, but times have changed.

[registrar]

Debunker wrote:

'I used to play Loose head prop and linebacker in my youth for which you need brain, brawn and bodily presence.'

unquote

good on you mate - what a guy - didn't you also reveal about your good self that you were a conscientious objector who got out of the draft - by buying bricks - and you lecture on scientific stuff around the world...etc. etc.

ENOUGH ALREADY ABOUT YOUR SUPPOSED SELF

It's the essence of your posts that (sometimes) interests me

Not your self - pronounced prowess in all fields

steady on fellow - you would not want to be accused of being an onanist now, would you?

Well you confirm that you are certainly a right wnker.

quod erat demonstrandum

thanks muchly

[AnneGuedes]

Anne - if a complete stranger had taken to writing long articles about you on the internet, travelled long distances to visit your neighbourhood, taken photos of your house, visited your local pub, stalked your facebook page, implied that you keep the company of paedophiles etc would you have anything to worry about or not?

Rachel, I would of course ask help and not let myself be intimidated in such a grotesque way. I'm rather surprised because I saw in Lisbon court two fellows related (I think) to Mr Bennett and they seemed to be very inoffensive.

Grenville Green and his son, perchance? I believe that Green and his wife were involved in the posting of hate leaflets in Mr and Mrs McCanns' home village,

I am very pleased that the McCanns and Mr Smethust fought back against the smear campaign that they were being subjected to.  Why should anyone have to put up with harrassment on this scale?

I think that's the name, Rachel, and I think they were in fact related to freedom of speech. The idea was (my feeling) more occupy space than being hostile. I heard nothing provocative anyhow.

[Rachel Granada]

Anne - if a complete stranger had taken to writing long articles about you on the internet, travelled long distances to visit your neighbourhood, taken photos of your house, visited your local pub, stalked your facebook page, implied that you keep the company of paedophiles etc would you have anything to worry about or not?

Rachel, I would of course ask help and not let myself be intimidated in such a grotesque way. I'm rather surprised because I saw in Lisbon court two fellows related (I think) to Mr Bennett and they seemed to be very inoffensive.

Grenville Green and his son, perchance? I believe that Green and his wife were involved in the posting of hate leaflets in Mr and Mrs McCanns' home village,

I am very pleased that the McCanns and Mr Smethust fought back against the smear campaign that they were being subjected to.  Why should anyone have to put up with harrassment on this scale?

I think that's the name, Rachel, and I think they were in fact related to freedom of speech. The idea was (my feeling) more occupy space than being hostile. I heard nothing provocative anyhow.

"Freedom of speech" does not allow for the willy-nilly spreading of lies against innocent people.  I think that Mr Justice Tugendhat covered this in his  recent comments.

[AnneGuedes]

Anne - if a complete stranger had taken to writing long articles about you on the internet, travelled long distances to visit your neighbourhood, taken photos of your house, visited your local pub, stalked your facebook page, implied that you keep the company of paedophiles etc would you have anything to worry about or not?

Rachel, I would of course ask help and not let myself be intimidated in such a grotesque way. I'm rather surprised because I saw in Lisbon court two fellows related (I think) to Mr Bennett and they seemed to be very inoffensive.

Grenville Green and his son, perchance? I believe that Green and his wife were involved in the posting of hate leaflets in Mr and Mrs McCanns' home village,

I am very pleased that the McCanns and Mr Smethust fought back against the smear campaign that they were being subjected to.  Why should anyone have to put up with harrassment on this scale?

I think that's the name, Rachel, and I think they were in fact related to freedom of speech. The idea was (my feeling) more occupy space than being hostile. I heard nothing provocative anyhow.

"Freedom of speech" does not allow for the willy-nilly spreading of lies against innocent people.  I think that Mr Justice Tugendhat covered this in his  recent comments.

Even if lies are proven lies and innocent (on a determined topic) people proved innocent, I'd make mine the 1st amendment. A right to answer exists, Rachel. Denying the right to criticize and express one's opinion has produced the two totalitarianisms my generation hasn't forgotten.

[debunker]

Anne - if a complete stranger had taken to writing long articles about you on the internet, travelled long distances to visit your neighbourhood, taken photos of your house, visited your local pub, stalked your facebook page, implied that you keep the company of paedophiles etc would you have anything to worry about or not?

Rachel, I would of course ask help and not let myself be intimidated in such a grotesque way. I'm rather surprised because I saw in Lisbon court two fellows related (I think) to Mr Bennett and they seemed to be very inoffensive.

Grenville Green and his son, perchance? I believe that Green and his wife were involved in the posting of hate leaflets in Mr and Mrs McCanns' home village,

I am very pleased that the McCanns and Mr Smethust fought back against the smear campaign that they were being subjected to.  Why should anyone have to put up with harrassment on this scale?

I think that's the name, Rachel, and I think they were in fact related to freedom of speech. The idea was (my feeling) more occupy space than being hostile. I heard nothing provocative anyhow.

"Freedom of speech" does not allow for the willy-nilly spreading of lies against innocent people.  I think that Mr Justice Tugendhat covered this in his  recent comments.

Even if lies are proven lies and innocent (on a determined topic) people proved innocent, I'd make mine the 1st amendment. A right to answer exists, Rachel. Denying the right to criticize and express one's opinion has produced the two totalitarianisms my generation hasn't forgotten.

You are aware that the First Amendment is limited in application by interpretation by case law. The right to free speech in the US is constrained in vari ous ways, ranging from public safety, through libel laws and hate speech.

[Rachel Granada]

What on earth are you rambling on about, Anne?  Bennett signed an undertaking to stop his lies back in 2009.  He failed to keep to said undertaking.  As a result of that, he now has a conviction for contempt of court and a 40K bill to pay

[AnneGuedes]

Anne - if a complete stranger had taken to writing long articles about you on the internet, travelled long distances to visit your neighbourhood, taken photos of your house, visited your local pub, stalked your facebook page, implied that you keep the company of paedophiles etc would you have anything to worry about or not?

Rachel, I would of course ask help and not let myself be intimidated in such a grotesque way. I'm rather surprised because I saw in Lisbon court two fellows related (I think) to Mr Bennett and they seemed to be very inoffensive.

Grenville Green and his son, perchance? I believe that Green and his wife were involved in the posting of hate leaflets in Mr and Mrs McCanns' home village,

I am very pleased that the McCanns and Mr Smethust fought back against the smear campaign that they were being subjected to.  Why should anyone have to put up with harrassment on this scale?

I think that's the name, Rachel, and I think they were in fact related to freedom of speech. The idea was (my feeling) more occupy space than being hostile. I heard nothing provocative anyhow.

"Freedom of speech" does not allow for the willy-nilly spreading of lies against innocent people.  I think that Mr Justice Tugendhat covered this in his  recent comments.

Even if lies are proven lies and innocent (on a determined topic) people proved innocent, I'd make mine the 1st amendment. A right to answer exists, Rachel. Denying the right to criticize and express one's opinion has produced the two totalitarianisms my generation hasn't forgotten.

You are aware that the First Amendment is limited in application by interpretation by case law. The right to free speech in the US is constrained in vari ous ways, ranging from public safety, through libel laws and hate speech.

Yes, that's fine to remind this and I agree. I wasn't pretending the First Amendment was a perfect thing. Far from that. It obviously has to be perfected. But for now it is the closest to my convictions.

[Jean-Pierre]

It may be worthwhile having a look at article 10 of the ECHR, which is rather more relevant to the case in hand than the 1st Amendment.

Article 10 – Freedom of expression

1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.

2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.

[icabodcrane]

Did Carter Ruck waive their right to claim costs from the losing side then ?

Why would they do that ?   (  is it because Bennett simply didn't have the means to pay them  ?  )

[AnneGuedes]

What on earth are you rambling on about, Anne?  Bennett signed an undertaking to stop his lies back in 2009.  He failed to keep to said undertaking.  As a result of that, he now has a conviction for contempt of court and a 40K bill to pay

It is disastrous. I can't understand this man wasn't helped out of such extremities. Who has anything to gain in this ? Nobody. Even the McCanns. Their winning did no good to their image (imo).

[amaraltheofficeboy]

What on earth are you rambling on about, Anne?  Bennett signed an undertaking to stop his lies back in 2009.  He failed to keep to said undertaking.  As a result of that, he now has a conviction for contempt of court and a 40K bill to pay

It is disastrous. I can't understand this man wasn't helped out of such extremities. Who has anything to gain in this ? Nobody. Even the McCanns. Their winning did no good to their image (imo).

you are a translator?