Kate McCann visited Portugal over the Bank Holiday

[gilet]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/313194/Kate-McCann-s-Portugal-return/

KATE MCCANN'S PORTUGAL RETURN

7th May 2013 By Jerry Lawton
MADELEINE McCann’s mum yesterday made an emotional return to the holiday resort where her daughter vanished.

Kate McCann, 45, flew out to Portugal three days after collapsing in tears at a public prayer service to mark the sixth anniversary of the disappearance.

One of her first visits will be to the Our Lady Of The Light church in Praia da Luz where the devout Catholic prayed daily for her daughter in the four months after she was snatched.

A friend said yesterday: “She will spend a few days in Praia da Luz. She feels close to Madeleine there.’

During the trip, Kate will be reunited with her English and Portuguese friends.

But it is not known whether the former GP will visit the Ocean Club where her daughter disappeared during their holiday in May 2007. It is believed Kate has never ventured back into apartment 5a, where Madeleine was last seen asleep in bed.

At the time Kate, husband Gerry, 44, and seven pals were dining in a nearby tapas restaurant.

The returning mum is likely to find a resort with few reminders of her daughter. But Kate has asked the public: “Please don’t forget Madeleine.’’ And during TV interviews she urged: “Take posters of her when you go on holiday.

“Please help keep her in the public eye.’’

Kate is due to fly back to the Britain in time for Madeleine’s 10th birthday on Sunday.

I wonder does Icabodcrane still think his guess as to Gerry's presence in Portugal is correct? It may be, but its equally possible that he is at home with the twins. I prefer to make no judgements about things without evidence. Others like Icabodcrane apparently prefer guesswork. 

[icabodcrane]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/313194/Kate-McCann-s-Portugal-return/

KATE MCCANN'S PORTUGAL RETURN

7th May 2013 By Jerry Lawton
MADELEINE McCann’s mum yesterday made an emotional return to the holiday resort where her daughter vanished.

Kate McCann, 45, flew out to Portugal three days after collapsing in tears at a public prayer service to mark the sixth anniversary of the disappearance.

One of her first visits will be to the Our Lady Of The Light church in Praia da Luz where the devout Catholic prayed daily for her daughter in the four months after she was snatched.

A friend said yesterday: “She will spend a few days in Praia da Luz. She feels close to Madeleine there.’

During the trip, Kate will be reunited with her English and Portuguese friends.

But it is not known whether the former GP will visit the Ocean Club where her daughter disappeared during their holiday in May 2007. It is believed Kate has never ventured back into apartment 5a, where Madeleine was last seen asleep in bed.

At the time Kate, husband Gerry, 44, and seven pals were dining in a nearby tapas restaurant.

The returning mum is likely to find a resort with few reminders of her daughter. But Kate has asked the public: “Please don’t forget Madeleine.’’ And during TV interviews she urged: “Take posters of her when you go on holiday.

“Please help keep her in the public eye.’’

Kate is due to fly back to the Britain in time for Madeleine’s 10th birthday on Sunday.

I wonder does Icabodcrane still think his guess as to Gerry's presence in Portugal is correct? It may be, but its equally possible that he is at home with the twins. I prefer to make no judgements about things without evidence. Others like Icabodcrane apparently prefer guesswork.

Sounds like Gerry isn't there to me

[DCI]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/313194/Kate-McCann-s-Portugal-return/

KATE MCCANN'S PORTUGAL RETURN

7th May 2013 By Jerry Lawton
MADELEINE McCann’s mum yesterday made an emotional return to the holiday resort where her daughter vanished.

Kate McCann, 45, flew out to Portugal three days after collapsing in tears at a public prayer service to mark the sixth anniversary of the disappearance.

One of her first visits will be to the Our Lady Of The Light church in Praia da Luz where the devout Catholic prayed daily for her daughter in the four months after she was snatched.

A friend said yesterday: “She will spend a few days in Praia da Luz. She feels close to Madeleine there.’

During the trip, Kate will be reunited with her English and Portuguese friends.

But it is not known whether the former GP will visit the Ocean Club where her daughter disappeared during their holiday in May 2007. It is believed Kate has never ventured back into apartment 5a, where Madeleine was last seen asleep in bed.

At the time Kate, husband Gerry, 44, and seven pals were dining in a nearby tapas restaurant.

The returning mum is likely to find a resort with few reminders of her daughter. But Kate has asked the public: “Please don’t forget Madeleine.’’ And during TV interviews she urged: “Take posters of her when you go on holiday.

“Please help keep her in the public eye.’’

Kate is due to fly back to the Britain in time for Madeleine’s 10th birthday on Sunday.

I wonder does Icabodcrane still think his guess as to Gerry's presence in Portugal is correct? It may be, but its equally possible that he is at home with the twins. I prefer to make no judgements about things without evidence. Others like Icabodcrane apparently prefer guesswork.

Sounds like Gerry isn't there to me

So? 
Is it a problem for you? Its their business.

[icabodcrane]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/313194/Kate-McCann-s-Portugal-return/

KATE MCCANN'S PORTUGAL RETURN

7th May 2013 By Jerry Lawton
MADELEINE McCann’s mum yesterday made an emotional return to the holiday resort where her daughter vanished.

Kate McCann, 45, flew out to Portugal three days after collapsing in tears at a public prayer service to mark the sixth anniversary of the disappearance.

One of her first visits will be to the Our Lady Of The Light church in Praia da Luz where the devout Catholic prayed daily for her daughter in the four months after she was snatched.

A friend said yesterday: “She will spend a few days in Praia da Luz. She feels close to Madeleine there.’

During the trip, Kate will be reunited with her English and Portuguese friends.

But it is not known whether the former GP will visit the Ocean Club where her daughter disappeared during their holiday in May 2007. It is believed Kate has never ventured back into apartment 5a, where Madeleine was last seen asleep in bed.

At the time Kate, husband Gerry, 44, and seven pals were dining in a nearby tapas restaurant.

The returning mum is likely to find a resort with few reminders of her daughter. But Kate has asked the public: “Please don’t forget Madeleine.’’ And during TV interviews she urged: “Take posters of her when you go on holiday.

“Please help keep her in the public eye.’’

Kate is due to fly back to the Britain in time for Madeleine’s 10th birthday on Sunday.

I wonder does Icabodcrane still think his guess as to Gerry's presence in Portugal is correct? It may be, but its equally possible that he is at home with the twins. I prefer to make no judgements about things without evidence. Others like Icabodcrane apparently prefer guesswork.

Sounds like Gerry isn't there to me

And?

I just think it makes it all the sadder, that's all

Sat there in that little church on her own ...  don't you think that's sad ?

[gilet]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/313194/Kate-McCann-s-Portugal-return/

KATE MCCANN'S PORTUGAL RETURN

7th May 2013 By Jerry Lawton
MADELEINE McCann’s mum yesterday made an emotional return to the holiday resort where her daughter vanished.

Kate McCann, 45, flew out to Portugal three days after collapsing in tears at a public prayer service to mark the sixth anniversary of the disappearance.

One of her first visits will be to the Our Lady Of The Light church in Praia da Luz where the devout Catholic prayed daily for her daughter in the four months after she was snatched.

A friend said yesterday: “She will spend a few days in Praia da Luz. She feels close to Madeleine there.’

During the trip, Kate will be reunited with her English and Portuguese friends.

But it is not known whether the former GP will visit the Ocean Club where her daughter disappeared during their holiday in May 2007. It is believed Kate has never ventured back into apartment 5a, where Madeleine was last seen asleep in bed.

At the time Kate, husband Gerry, 44, and seven pals were dining in a nearby tapas restaurant.

The returning mum is likely to find a resort with few reminders of her daughter. But Kate has asked the public: “Please don’t forget Madeleine.’’ And during TV interviews she urged: “Take posters of her when you go on holiday.

“Please help keep her in the public eye.’’

Kate is due to fly back to the Britain in time for Madeleine’s 10th birthday on Sunday.

I wonder does Icabodcrane still think his guess as to Gerry's presence in Portugal is correct? It may be, but its equally possible that he is at home with the twins. I prefer to make no judgements about things without evidence. Others like Icabodcrane apparently prefer guesswork.

Sounds like Gerry isn't there to me

Agreed. In my view always best to wait for information rather than making hasty guesses.

There are lots of places he could be. Portugal, Rothley looking after the twins, Glasgow for a few days R&R, on a conference in the Bahamas, in London at an international nuclear meeting, in Rome chatting to the Pope, in Moscow chatting to Putin even. Without some kind of information as to his whereabouts then its pretty futile guessing.

Its always revealing when people make guesses with nothing concrete to base their guesses on. It must be something else on which the guess was based.

[gilet]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/313194/Kate-McCann-s-Portugal-return/

KATE MCCANN'S PORTUGAL RETURN

7th May 2013 By Jerry Lawton
MADELEINE McCann’s mum yesterday made an emotional return to the holiday resort where her daughter vanished.

Kate McCann, 45, flew out to Portugal three days after collapsing in tears at a public prayer service to mark the sixth anniversary of the disappearance.

One of her first visits will be to the Our Lady Of The Light church in Praia da Luz where the devout Catholic prayed daily for her daughter in the four months after she was snatched.

A friend said yesterday: “She will spend a few days in Praia da Luz. She feels close to Madeleine there.’

During the trip, Kate will be reunited with her English and Portuguese friends.

But it is not known whether the former GP will visit the Ocean Club where her daughter disappeared during their holiday in May 2007. It is believed Kate has never ventured back into apartment 5a, where Madeleine was last seen asleep in bed.

At the time Kate, husband Gerry, 44, and seven pals were dining in a nearby tapas restaurant.

The returning mum is likely to find a resort with few reminders of her daughter. But Kate has asked the public: “Please don’t forget Madeleine.’’ And during TV interviews she urged: “Take posters of her when you go on holiday.

“Please help keep her in the public eye.’’

Kate is due to fly back to the Britain in time for Madeleine’s 10th birthday on Sunday.

I wonder does Icabodcrane still think his guess as to Gerry's presence in Portugal is correct? It may be, but its equally possible that he is at home with the twins. I prefer to make no judgements about things without evidence. Others like Icabodcrane apparently prefer guesswork.

Sounds like Gerry isn't there to me

And?

I just think it makes it all the sadder, that's all

Sat there in that little church on her own ...  don't you think that's sad ?

It is extraordinarily sad to witness. I find it remarkable that others don't see that sadness.
But though it may resemble a Diana moment (Agra), there is no evidence it is any such thing. It could be something as simple as maintaining a normality for the twins behind the possible lone trip of Kate (if that is what it is). Or it could be one of many other things.

But whatever the reason, it is very sad that any mother should ever feel the pain of a missing child whether alone or with her partner.

[muratfan]

To think, the [ censored word ]s peddled the lie, many times, that the McCanns would never return to PDL, for fear of being arrested.

Another lie smashed

[AnneGuedes]

Its very interesting that some people jump to conclusions without evidence. A strange mindset revealed.

What else do you do, Gilet, when you assume "Kate McCann is a mother who does not know where her little girl is" ? You believe Mrs McCann who claims her little girl was abducted, and you do it well, but it's belief ! No evidence !

Your assumption that I believe in abduction is presumptious.

I have not referred to abduction. I have referred to a child who is missing which is a fact.

I have also referred to the presumption of innocence. Again a fact in legal terms.

Kate is the mother of a missing child. In legal terms she does not know where her child is. In her words, she does not know where here child is. I am perfectly entitled to presume as a person who abides by the law (including the law of Portugal) that she is telling the truth.

When I am presented with any evidence which even begins to convince me that Kate McCann was involved in any way in the disappearance of her child (other than in the fact that she was not present at the time in the apartment itself) then I will consider changing my view about her presumed innocence. Till then I will accept the word of the Portuguese officials.

You are wholly mistaken when you claim I jump to a conclusion. In reality I do precisely the opposite. I prefer to make no judgement about her and to await evidence for her guilt. Till then I will show empathy with a woman whose child is missing. I am sorry you cannot do the same.

Gilet, showing empathy is really nice, but your assuming Mrs McCann "does not know where her child is" is questionable : it isn't a fact, it's a belief.
You're of course free to believe whatever you like and to claim it ! But add "in my opinion", that would be fair.
Nothing to do with the presumption of innocence : the McCanns were not charged, they are not charged and I bet they'll never be charged and they know it. This is not their issue.

[muratfan]

the McCanns were not charged, they are not charged and I bet they'll never be charged and they know it

You know it when you know that they have not committed any offence

[gilet]

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Gilet, showing empathy is really nice, but your assuming Mrs McCann "does not know where her child is" is questionable : it isn't a fact, it's a belief.
You're of course free to believe whatever you like and to claim it ! But add "in my opinion", that would be fair.
Nothing to do with the presumption of innocence : the McCanns were not charged, they are not charged and I bet they'll never be charged and they know it. This is not their issue.

My 'belief' as you call it has everything to do with presumption of innocence. I have stated this earlier and you appear to have missed it, but it is precisely because they have never been charged, because the Portuguese in the archival report found no evidence whatsoever of any crime by them that I presume (as we are expected to do in a civilised society) their innocence.

I have no belief in what Kate McCann says though. My position is that I am unwilling to act as judge. I accept till there is evidence which shows otherwise the presumed innocence which I have referred to.

That does not mean that I know it is true or even that I believe it is true. Merely that I have no evidence to suggest otherwise. And because I have no evidence to suggest otherwise I am in the position of presuming innocence.

Your contesting of my position suggests that you possibly do not accept this presumption of innocence.  Would I be right? If so, on what grounds, using what evidence, are you considering Kate McCann to be a liar?

It is not simply my opinion that Kate McCann does not know where her child is. It is the collective opinion of the civilised society in which I live (known as presumption of innocence) and it would also appear to be the opinion of the senior court official in Portugal who signed off the archival report in which it was stated that there is no evidence of any crime by Kate McCann.

My position is not simply 'nice' as you call it but it is the legal position which we should all take when there is no evidence against a person. It is also the position which those who can share empathy with a parent of a missing child would naturally take. Clearly you are not such a person.

[Benice]

To think, the h.....s peddled the lie, many times, that the McCanns would never return to PDL, for fear of being arrested.

Another lie smashed

Indeed.

Quote from Kate's book

"To this day I still return quietly to Luz from time to time to feel Madeleine close to me''

[AnneGuedes]

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Gilet, showing empathy is really nice, but your assuming Mrs McCann "does not know where her child is" is questionable : it isn't a fact, it's a belief.
You're of course free to believe whatever you like and to claim it ! But add "in my opinion", that would be fair.
Nothing to do with the presumption of innocence : the McCanns were not charged, they are not charged and I bet they'll never be charged and they know it. This is not their issue.

My 'belief' as you call it has everything to do with presumption of innocence. I have stated this earlier and you appear to have missed it, but it is precisely because they have never been charged, because the Portuguese in the archival report found no evidence whatsoever of any crime by them that I presume (as we are expected to do in a civilised society) their innocence.

I have no belief in what Kate McCann says though. My position is that I am unwilling to act as judge. I accept till there is evidence which shows otherwise the presumed innocence which I have referred to.

That does not mean that I know it is true or even that I believe it is true. Merely that I have no evidence to suggest otherwise. And because I have no evidence to suggest otherwise I am in the position of presuming innocence.

Your contesting of my position suggests that you possibly do not accept this presumption of innocence.  Would I be right? If so, on what grounds, using what evidence, are you considering Kate McCann to be a liar?

It is not simply my opinion that Kate McCann does not know where her child is. It is the collective opinion of the civilised society in which I live (known as presumption of innocence) and it would also appear to be the opinion of the senior court official in Portugal who signed off the archival report in which it was stated that there is no evidence of any crime by Kate McCann.

My position is not simply 'nice' as you call it but it is the legal position which we should all take when there is no evidence against a person. It is also the position which those who can share empathy with a parent of a missing child would naturally take. Clearly you are not such a person.

Gilet, were you coherent - and as I never claimed this -, you'd believe I'm innocent of "considering Mrs McCann to be a liar" ;)
About compassion and as you're "unwilling to act as a judge", do take care of not judging yourself ;)

[registrar]

I found Gilet's post most coherent

Should Anne Guedes ever find herself being lambasted by a sub standard police force, informed by the Salazar regime - who leak 'info' left right and centre to smear her name

I'll be standing by - watching and sniggering 

[Eleanor]

I found Gilet's post most coherent

Should Anne Guedes ever find herself being lambasted by a sub standard police force, informed by the Salazar regime - who leak 'info' left right and centre to smear her name

I'll be standing by - watching and sniggering

I won't.  I shall be getting very worried about what they might be doing to her.  Her shouting that she's Innocent won't do her any good at all.  Especially if she is Innocent.

[registrar]

I found Gilet's post most coherent

Should Anne Guedes ever find herself being lambasted by a sub standard police force, informed by the Salazar regime - who leak 'info' left right and centre to smear her name

I'll be standing by - watching and sniggering

I won't.  I shall be getting very worried about what they might be doing to her.  Her shouting that she's Innocent won't do her any good at all.  Especially if she is Innocent.

That makes you a better person than me