Eddie's alert in the garden

[ferryman]

I already commented on that. perhaps you missed it.

And I find your theory  quite implausible at best, but you are free to have your opinions.

Beg your pardon:

As for Grime's explanation about place of deposit and place of settlement, I very much doubt he was referring to blood but to cadaver scent.

Why do you doubt that?  Molecules bearing scent could be blood scent as well as cadaver ...

[Redblossom]

Because that is what I think. See my edited previous post. Besides, any blood in the bathroom will have long been eliminated by regular cleaning over three months. We will have to agree to disagree.
 

[Gadfly1.3]

Does anyone have any thoughts as to why Eddie, the cadaver dog, alerted in the garden of G5A (McCann apartment)?

He did not alert in any other garden searched, for the record.

Cite: http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm

[ShiningInLuz]

Does anyone have any thoughts as to why Eddie, the cadaver dog, alerted in the garden of G5A (McCann apartment)?

He did not alert in any other garden searched, for the record.

Cite: http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm

Perhaps where the dog did not alert should be considered.

As in the garden of 27 Rua das Flores, where according to one myth ...  Then there's the one about buried under Jenny Murat's driveway.  No alert there either.  Dang!

Until Eddie manages to speak to us in English, and communicates from across the grave, we can debate this till the cows come home.

He alerted.  Reason unknown.

[Gadfly1.3]

Perhaps where the dog did not alert should be considered.

As in the garden of 27 Rua das Flores, where according to one myth ...  Then there's the one about buried under Jenny Murat's driveway.  No alert there either.  Dang!

Until Eddie manages to speak to us in English, and communicates from across the grave, we can debate this till the cows come home.

He alerted.  Reason unknown.

Yes, but we are not talking about myths Shining, are we?  I'm talking about a cited fact, namely that Eddie alerted in the garden for 5A.  What could be the explanation for that?  You sound a little like Gerry when you say 'ask the dogs!' -- but I'm asking why a trained dog alerted in that spot, and not in any other gardens searched -- a fact that was recorded as evidence in an official PJ document.  When Scotland Yard appeared in Luz in 2014, they brought cadaver dogs with them -- so there must be a lot of confidence in the training methods and outcomes surrounding these dogs one might argue. 

Thus again -- does anyone have any thoughts on explaining the cadaver alerts in the garden of 5A -- rented by the McCanns?

Thanks, G.

[pegasus]

Eddie also alerted on the balcony. Here is where he was sniffing immediately before he alerted. His nose is sticking through a gap in the railings outside the adult bedroom, into the climbing plant on the other side of the railing. So this alert made from the balcony is actually an alert to either the flowerbed below, or to the climbing plant partway down from the railing to the flowerbed.

[jassi]

Yes, but we are not talking about myths Shining, are we?  I'm talking about a cited fact, namely that Eddie alerted in the garden for 5A.  What could be the explanation for that?  You sound a little like Gerry when you say 'ask the dogs!' -- but I'm asking why a trained dog alerted in that spot, and not in any other gardens searched -- a fact that was recorded as evidence in an official PJ document.  When Scotland Yard appeared in Luz in 2014, they brought cadaver dogs with them -- so there must be a lot of confidence in the training methods and outcomes surrounding these dogs one might argue. 

Thus again -- does anyone have any thoughts on explaining the cadaver alerts in the garden of 5A -- rented by the McCanns?

Thanks, G.

Indeed I do, but I can hear the screams of "libelous post"  even before I put finger to keyboard, so my views must remain my own .

[Mr Gray]

From what I have read about remnant scent and from basic chemistry I don't see how the scent could have lasted 3 months out in the open

[pegasus]

Indeed I do, but I can hear the screams of "libelous post"  even before I put finger to keyboard, so my views must remain my own .

What if it was a burglary-gone-wrong (didn't SY consider that hypothesis?) and the unnamed unknown burglar concealed something in that flowerbed?

[Gadfly1.3]

So to sum up so far:

Pegasus and Jassi consider that either a cadaver or something that has come in contact with a cadaver could have been the cause of Eddie's alert.  Davel is sceptical that cadaverine can survive in the open, but has no cite.  And Shining repeats Gerry McCann's argument that we need to ask the dogs.

My view is cadaver dogs, alert to human cadavers an overwhelming percentage of the time -- but clearly, the dogs are simply a guide to helping the PJ and SY understand what went on both at 5A, but also in some of the dig sights of 2014.

[faithlilly]

What if it was a burglary-gone-wrong (didn't SY consider that hypothesis?) and the unnamed unknown burglar concealed something in that flowerbed?

Such as ?

[pegasus]

From what I have read about remnant scent and from basic chemistry I don't see how the scent could have lasted 3 months out in the open

Good point.
In the burglary-gone-wrong hypothesis, would there need to be a physical source still present, to yield an alert at an outdoor location 3 months later?

[misty]

Since when did Eddie clearing his nasal passages constitute an alert to an odour which he was trained to respond to?
Multiple barks were the normal response.

[Gadfly1.3]

Since when did Eddie clearing his nasal passages constitute an alert to an odour which he was trained to respond to?
Multiple barks were the normal response.

The moment it went into an official document, cited below.

Cite: http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm 

[Mr Gray]

Good point.
In the burglary-gone-wrong hypothesis, would there need to be a physical source still present, to yield an alert at an outdoor location 3 months later?

there has to be a physical source present for any alert although it may not be visible to the naked eye...the point is taht after 3 months all molecules would have dissipated imo