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Offline misty

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #195 on: April 15, 2016, 06:52:01 PM »
I am interested in facts, and here the fact is that Eddie very clearly barked while he was in the flowerbed. Eddie is completely logical. I prefer to independently interpret the facts that Eddie states on video - and not rely on other humans' interpretations thanks.

Eddie was facing his handler when he uttered a single bark. In light of the nature of all his other alerts, both in Luz & Jersey,  what could be determined from one bark?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4NMYPsFKb8&feature=youtu.be&t=38m10s

13m52    single bark
14m11    single bark         
Both inside 5a, not remarked upon.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #196 on: April 15, 2016, 06:54:31 PM »
They are not barks.

1. Door sound

2. Eddie knocking a chair
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #197 on: April 15, 2016, 07:02:09 PM »
Eddie was facing his handler when he uttered a single bark. In light of the nature of all his other alerts, both in Luz & Jersey,  what could be determined from one bark?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4NMYPsFKb8&feature=youtu.be&t=38m10s

13m52    single bark
14m11    single bark         
Both inside 5a, not remarked upon.

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Photos 2 through 8: External shots of the front and side of the apartment.
According to information provided by the DIC of Portimao, on 31 July 2007 a search had been performed inside the apartment using English police dogs one specialised in the detection of traces of human blood and the other in the detection of human cadaver scent.

They informed further that in that search the animal specialised in detection of human blood indicated the possible presence thereof on one of the floor tiles in the living room and that the dog specialised in detection of human cadaver odour had detected the presence thereof in the couple's bedroom and in the back garden of the apartment.

Because of this it was also asked of the undersigned that they entered into contact with an English scientific advisor, named Jonathan Smith, who indicated which traces should be collected and the best way to proceed with their collection.

In that contact the undersigned were told that they should [OCR error: missing word taken to be "proceder": to proceed] proceed with the recovery of the floor tiles indicated by the dog specialised in the detection of human blood, with the recovery of hair in the corridor [pathway] that exists in the area of the back garden next to the window of the couple's bedroom, with the recovery of several pieces of the branches of the climbing plant in the garden (for later check of possible blood traces on them) and with the recovery of possible fibres on the garden wall next to the climbing plant.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_EDDIE-KEELA.htm
« Last Edit: April 15, 2016, 07:05:28 PM by ferryman »

Offline pegasus

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #198 on: April 15, 2016, 07:03:04 PM »
(snip) little woof (snip)
It is not a little woof. It is a loud and clear woof.
Possibly you mean it is a single woof, whereas the woofs in the bedroom, and in the lounge, were multiple?
« Last Edit: April 15, 2016, 07:05:15 PM by pegasus »

ferryman

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Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #199 on: April 15, 2016, 07:11:04 PM »
The curtains (286A/2007 - CR/L 16 and 16B) and the piece of white curtain (286B/2007 - CR/L 1) and the fragments of bushes (286/2007 CR/L 21) were examined for the presence of blood. No blood was found.


John Lowe

Offline pegasus

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #200 on: April 15, 2016, 08:53:32 PM »
Eddie was facing his handler when he uttered a single bark. In light of the nature of all his other alerts, both in Luz & Jersey,  what could be determined from one bark?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4NMYPsFKb8&feature=youtu.be&t=38m10s

13m52    single bark
14m11    single bark         
Both inside 5a, not remarked upon.
IMO 13m52 is a the sound of a human moving a chair
And 14m11 is Eddie clearing his nose, definitely not barking.
BTW also at 16m07 Eddie clears his nose.

Offline misty

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #201 on: April 15, 2016, 09:21:31 PM »
IMO 13m52 is a the sound of a human moving a chair
And 14m11 is Eddie clearing his nose, definitely not barking.
BTW also at 16m07 Eddie clears his nose.

Isn't it curious that Pathfinder, you & I all have a different opinion of the same noises?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #202 on: April 15, 2016, 09:27:11 PM »
The curtains (286A/2007 - CR/L 16 and 16B) and the piece of white curtain (286B/2007 - CR/L 1) and the fragments of bushes (286/2007 CR/L 21) were examined for the presence of blood. No blood was found.


John Lowe

It doesn't have to be blood if a body was in the flower bed at some point. Maybe the abductor saw somebody coming and quickly hid the body in the flower bed.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #203 on: April 15, 2016, 09:30:56 PM »
It doesn't have to be blood if a body was in the flower bed at some point. Maybe the abductor saw somebody coming and quickly hid the body in the flower bed.

What body?

Either we find some (plausible) explanation for Eddie's alert such as pig-based manure, I Eddie alerted falsely, same as Eddie alerted falsely to cuddle-cat and alerted falsely to a coconut in HdLG ....

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #204 on: April 15, 2016, 09:32:07 PM »
What body?

Either we find some (plausible) explanation for Eddie's alert such as pig-based manure, I Eddie alerted falsely, same as Eddie alerted falsely to cuddle-cat and alerted falsely to a coconut in HdLG ....

The body SY are looking for. Maybe you missed their searches for it.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #205 on: April 15, 2016, 09:43:07 PM »
The body SY are looking for. Maybe you missed their searches for it.

There was no body in the garden.

You must look for an alternative explanation of an apparent alert there.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #206 on: April 15, 2016, 09:48:06 PM »
Isn't it curious that Pathfinder, you & I all have a different opinion of the same noises?

Yes it is Misty but please listen to it again. Eddie goes to the table area where there are chairs. It sounds like he knocked into one because he searches quickly.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #207 on: April 15, 2016, 09:52:05 PM »
There was no body in the garden.

You must look for an alternative explanation of an apparent alert there.

You don't know that when there was an alert. If the abductor came out that side with Madeleine then maybe somebody was coming so she was quickly hidden then retrieved when the coast was clear.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #208 on: April 15, 2016, 10:00:26 PM »
You don't know that when there was an alert. If the abductor came out that side with Madeleine then maybe somebody was coming so she was quickly hidden then retrieved when the coast was clear.

I look at Eddie's track-record. 

He first didn't alert to cuddle cat (but picked it up and played with it); then (after the toy was hidden in a cupboard) he alerted to it.

In HdlG, Eddie alerted to a piece of wood or a coconut.

That's not the kind of stuff cadaver dogs are supposed to do (any of it).

Adrian Prout, Eddie alerted in the matrimonial home when Prout murdered and buried his wife in an out-house, a few hundred yards away.

It all raises question-marks ....
« Last Edit: April 15, 2016, 10:12:57 PM by ferryman »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #209 on: April 15, 2016, 10:16:29 PM »
I look at Eddie's track-record. 

He first didn't alert to cuddle cat (but picked it up and played with it); then (after the toy was hidden in a cupboard) he alerted to it.

In PdL, Eddie alerted to a piece of wood or a coconut.

That's not the kind of stuff cadaver dogs are supposed to do (any of it).

Adrian Prout, Eddie alerted in the matrimonial home when Prout murdered and buried his wife in an out-house, a few hundred yards away.

It all raises question-marks ....

276 acre farm he lived on. CC was a toy. Dogs like playing with toys so MG hid it.

Depends on what reports you read:

Prout had shown officers an area of 300 square yards (250 square metres) on Redhill Farm but was unable to give the exact location.

Prout, who fathered a child with Ms Garlick after his wife's disappearance, was thought to have strangled her and then used his expertise as a professional pipe-layer to bury her body.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-confirm-they-have-found-kate-prouts-body-6267989.html

FBI Recruits Expert, K-9 From UK
A dog who is trained to find human remains has been brought in from the United Kingdom to help in the search for Theresa Parker, the Walker County 911 operator who has been missing for almost six months.
FBI Regional Director John Parrish said Martin Grimes and his English springer spaniel Eddie are some of the best in the world at finding bodies.
Walker County Sheriff Steve Wilson introduced Mr. Grimes and Eddie at a press conference in LaFayette on Thursday afternoon.

« Last Edit: April 15, 2016, 10:21:56 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.