Eddie's alert in the garden

[pegasus]

He played with toys as a puppy. Somebody close to Grime has told you what he said. "Reverted to puppy mode which was not unusual." So he hid the toy.

But Eddie did not alert to the cat in the sideboard Pathfinder, he ignored it. The video is proof.

That leaves absolutely no reason to question that KM told the truth, she discovered the toy still on the bed.

And sometime I'll post 100% proof that the alleged print, which was claimed to prove she opened the window, is complete rubbish.

[pegasus]

(snip).....  someone was taken short and popped into the garden for a quick pee ... and Eddie alerted to it as he had been trained to do..

Do you think your phantom peeer chose that particular part of the flowerbed because it's the part that can't be seen from the streetgate Sadie?

[slartibartfast]

Alice, I remember now

Eddie was trained for two disciplines, and the one included human bodily fluids including urine. 

And once a dog is trained for a certain discipline, it cannot be untrained. 

Urine is a human bodily fluid.   Therefore Eddie would alert to decomposed Urine.

I repeat, imo, someone was taken short and popped into the garden for a quick pee ... and Eddie alerted to it as he had been trained to do..

Please provide a cite or modify your post.

[Mr Gray]

Please provide a cite or modify your post.

I trust this rule will be applied strictly to all posters
Although I don't have a cite at the moment I have read in one of grimes statements that Eddie alerts to body fluids and it is keela who only alerts to blood
There was also an article posted on here
Again no cite
Which said that once dogs are trained to alert to a particular substance that skill cannot be unlearnt

[stephen25000]

Alice, I remember now

Eddie was trained for two disciplines, and the one included human bodily fluids including urine. 

And once a dog is trained for a certain discipline, it cannot be untrained. 

Urine is a human bodily fluid.   Therefore Eddie would alert to decomposed Urine.

I repeat, imo, someone was taken short and popped into the garden for a quick pee ... and Eddie alerted to it as he had been trained to do..

Cites as per forum protocol ?

[ferryman]

Cites as per forum protocol ?

We know that the claim of training on human remains is a pile of crock.

And we know that in the Sam Parker case, Grime was tasked to  order Eddie to find a sample pair of pants perfumed with a cadaver scent (almost certainly pseudo-scents).

And we know that a primary constituent of pseudo-scents is cadaverine, also a constituent of urine.

Ergo, it seems reasonable to speculate that Eddie would react to urine.

[stephen25000]

We know that the claim of training on human remains is a pile of crock.

And we know that in the Sam Parker case, Grime was tasked to  order Eddie to find a sample pair of pants perfumed with a cadaver scent (almost certainly pseudo-scents).

And we know that a primary constituent of pseudo-scents is cadaverine, also a constituent of urine.

Ergo, it seems reasonable to speculate that Eddie would react to urine.

Cadaverine is just one of many compounds found in decomposition, a result of the breakdown of Lysine as I am sure your googling will show.

Occasionally found in urine in higher than expected levels, due to a certain metabolic condition.

However, Urine also contains other compounds as well.

So speculate away, but it doesn't mean someone urinated in the garden.

[Alice Purjorick]

"We know a joke about this don't we Billy" ?   
This really has got my sense of the ridiculous going.
In order to account for Eddie alerting in a garden we have half the population, including the transients I guess, pi**ing over walls and off balconies so Eddie could detect it.
Two gross assumptions here.
1 The pi**ing competition.
2 Eddie was not desensitised to urine.
'scuse me I must be off now I have a game of "pee sticks" arranged. It's like Pooh Sticks but .....................................

[pegasus]

We know that the claim of training on human remains is a pile of crock.
... (snip)

What is this in this jar Ferryman?

[stephen25000]

We know that the claim of training on human remains is a pile of crock.

And we know that in the Sam Parker case, Grime was tasked to  order Eddie to find a sample pair of pants perfumed with a cadaver scent (almost certainly pseudo-scents).

And we know that a primary constituent of pseudo-scents is cadaverine, also a constituent of urine.

Ergo, it seems reasonable to speculate that Eddie would react to urine.

You have been informed repeatedly your first sentence is not true.

Why do you persist in it ?

[pegasus]

The photos I posted are of a jar used for training, and of a cadaver dog (Eddie) alerting to that jar during training in which the jar had been hidden. It doesn't look like pseudo-scent does it?

[misty]

The photos I posted are of a jar used for training, and of a cadaver dog (Eddie) alerting to that jar during training in which the jar had been hidden. It doesn't look like pseudo-scent does it?

What are the common elements between century old human skeletal remains & a human cadaver a few hours old?

[pegasus]

What are the common elements between century old human skeletal remains & a human cadaver a few hours old?

The common element is that both are detectable by a cadaver dog like Eddie.
The CSST experiment found that detectability begins only after a post-mortem-interval of at least 1 hour 25 minutes.

[misty]

The common element is that both are detectable by a cadaver dog like Eddie.
The CSST experiment found that detectability begins only after a post-mortem-interval of at least 1 hour 25 minutes.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/why-scientists-cant-explain-why-death-smells-like-death-a6669071.html

An excellent article by a renowned specialist in her field.
The training of a dog can only ever be as good as scientific knowledge permits.
Eddie alerted to the jar because the contents of the jar were present, exposed & contained a smell he recognised (a limited number of chemical compounds due to the age of the skeleton).
We have no evidence that Eddie was ever trained using cadaver as fresh as 1hr 25 mins post mortem.

[pegasus]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/why-scientists-cant-explain-why-death-smells-like-death-a6669071.html

An excellent article by a renowned specialist in her field.
The training of a dog can only ever be as good as scientific knowledge permits.
Eddie alerted to the jar because the contents of the jar were present, exposed & contained a smell he recognised (a limited number of chemical compounds due to the age of the skeleton).
We have no evidence that Eddie was ever trained using cadaver as fresh as 1hr 25 mins post mortem.

Precisely Misty, he has never been trained on a human source with such a short PMI.

Therefore the best information we have is the CSST experiment which indicated that detection requires a PMI of at least 85 minutes.

Try squeezing that into the almost universally assumed 9.05pm-10.00pm timewindow and it simply doesn't fit.