Eddie's alert in the garden

[Alice Purjorick]

https://www.hud.ac.uk/ourstaff/profile/index.php?staffuid=sappaw3

[Carana]

Precisely Misty, he has never been trained on a human source with such a short PMI.

Therefore the best information we have is the CSST experiment which indicated that detection requires a PMI of at least 85 minutes.

Try squeezing that into the almost universally assumed 9.05pm-10.00pm timewindow and it simply doesn't fit.

Until all the reasonable possibilities have been explored and eliminated, not one knows what Eddie actually reacted to.

[misty]

https://www.hud.ac.uk/ourstaff/profile/index.php?staffuid=sappaw3

That's where I got links to a few of her articles, after googling articles about research being conducted by a student at Huddersfield Uni. It's clear that whilst the UK's research into cadavers/dogs has progressed a lot since Eddie commenced training in 2003, we are still way behind the US.

[Alice Purjorick]

That's where I got links to a few of her articles, after googling articles about research being conducted by a student at Huddersfield Uni. It's clear that whilst the UK's research into cadavers/dogs has progressed a lot since Eddie commenced training in 2003, we are still way behind the US.

Oh indeed we are, and behind the RCMP, most US State Trooper organisations and US  Marine Corps to name but a few as I posted several months ago. But on here seemingly "we" are happy to promote all sorts of blx.
The reliability of research apparently is dependent upon how it affects the McCann case so anything that would tend to show Gene Keela & Eddie and Martin Grime were not w****rs is cobblers by definition .....yawn.

[misty]

Oh indeed we are, and behind the RCMP, most US State Trooper organisations and US  Marine Corps to name but a few as I posted several months ago. But on here seemingly "we" are happy to promote all sorts of blx.
The reliability of research apparently is dependent upon how it affects the McCann case so anything that would tend to show Gene Keela & Eddie and Martin Grime were not w****rs is cobblers by definition .....yawn.

One day I may properly understand what your posts actually mean but until then, ponder the question - why did SYP relinquish ownership of those 2 money-making assets?

[sadie]

Please provide a cite or modify your post.

Slarti

This has been thoroughly discussed before, as you must know. 

At that time it was acknowledged that Eddie was doubly trained ... and the initial sort of training included bodily fluids, the other was just for Cadavar odour and blood.

I cant remember what the initial training was called .... but it is all there on the forum for you to find if you really want to re-see it. 

When undertaking a new discipline of learning, a dog cannot UNLEARN training that he already has.  He will alert to both types of scent.



Sorry but I am not going to waste the limited period I have left in life, searching for and reproducing infomation that you and others on here have already read.

[pathfinder73]

We've  been through this a million times. He was deconditioned to urine otherwise he would be alerting to a lot of toilets  . Go ask MG yourself and find out the truth from his trainer/owner.

Remember one important thing. In all the missing person cases Eddie has alerted to cadaver scent not one person has turned up alive. Now go chew on that bone.

[misty]

We've  been through this a million times. He was deconditioned to urine otherwise he would be alerting to a lot of toilets  . Go ask MG yourself and find out the truth from his trainer/owner.

Remember one important thing. In all the missing person cases Eddie has alerted to cadaver scent not one person has turned up alive. Now go chew on that bone.

http://www.southyorkshire.police.uk/foi/disclosurelog/sniffer-dog-deployments-costs

*snipped*
As two teams working together: handler Ellis and dog Frankie, with handler Grime and dog Eddie have been deployed on twenty occasions, with the recovery of four bodies.

 Working alone, Grime/Eddie have been deployed on seventeen occasions with the recovery of one body and Ellis/Frankie have been deployed on five occasions with the recovery of three bodies, this includes the recovery of two women in one grave.


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One can only speculate as to how many of the 17 occasions resulted in alerts but no body.

[Brietta]

http://www.southyorkshire.police.uk/foi/disclosurelog/sniffer-dog-deployments-costs

*snipped*
As two teams working together: handler Ellis and dog Frankie, with handler Grime and dog Eddie have been deployed on twenty occasions, with the recovery of four bodies.

 Working alone, Grime/Eddie have been deployed on seventeen occasions with the recovery of one body and Ellis/Frankie have been deployed on five occasions with the recovery of three bodies, this includes the recovery of two women in one grave.


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One can only speculate as to how many of the 17 occasions resulted in alerts but no body.

We hear about successes when bodies are recovered.

We don't hear about the many occasions when that doesn't happen; under normal circumstances we should never have heard anything about Keela and Eddie in Praia da Luz because that search turned up nothing apart from very old blood which had nothing to do with the McCann family ~ fresh blood deposited by the officer tasked with lifting the tiles where the old blood was found ~ cellular material on a key fob from Madeleine's father ~ old blood in the boot of the Renault hire car with nothing to do with the McCanns.

The garden search where Eddie showed interest according to his handler turned up nothing of relevance to the McCanns. 

Praia da Luz is just another case among the many where the dogs' deployment turned up nothing of value.

[pegasus]

We hear about successes when bodies are recovered.

We don't hear about the many occasions when that doesn't happen;
(snip)

What about the Gilroy case in Edinburgh?
No body has ever been recovered.
But we've certainly heard about the alerts by a South Yorkshire cadaver dog called Buster.
And the successful conviction.

[misty]

What about the Gilroy case in Edinburgh?
No body has ever been recovered.
But we've certainly heard about the alerts by a South Yorkshire cadaver dog called Buster.
And the successful conviction.

Buster was one of 2 cadaver dogs deployed. Did the other dog alert to anything?
Gilroy was convicted mainly through CCTV footage & mobile phone activity. Whilst he maintains his innocence, there would appear to be compelling circumstantial evidence of his guilt.

  ETA - no alerts to the clothes he was wearing the day she went missing?????

[mercury]

Slarti

This has been thoroughly discussed before, as you must know. 

At that time it was acknowledged that Eddie was doubly trained ... and the initial sort of training included bodily fluids, the other was just for Cadavar odour and blood.

I cant remember what the initial training was called .... but it is all there on the forum for you to find if you really want to re-see it. 

When undertaking a new discipline of learning, a dog cannot UNLEARN training that he already has.  He will alert to both types of scent.



Sorry but I am not going to waste the limited period I have left in life, searching for and reproducing infomation that you and others on here have already read.

Which part of the first couple paragraphs refers to bodily fluids from live humans?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VOLUME_IXprocesso_2263.jpg

If you cant provide a cite for eddie having undergone two types of training maybe someone else can...will check back later

[mercury]

Buster was one of 2 cadaver dogs deployed. Did the other dog alert to anything?
Gilroy was convicted mainly through CCTV footage & mobile phone activity. Whilst he maintains his innocence, there would appear to be compelling circumstantial evidence of his guilt.

  ETA - no alerts to the clothes he was wearing the day she went missing?????

therefore supporting the validity of the dog alerts and not making them "meaningless" unless you like others thnk they may have been reacting to pee and mushrooms

[G-Unit]

Slarti

This has been thoroughly discussed before, as you must know. 

At that time it was acknowledged that Eddie was doubly trained ... and the initial sort of training included bodily fluids, the other was just for Cadavar odour and blood.

I cant remember what the initial training was called .... but it is all there on the forum for you to find if you really want to re-see it. 

When undertaking a new discipline of learning, a dog cannot UNLEARN training that he already has.  He will alert to both types of scent.



Sorry but I am not going to waste the limited period I have left in life, searching for and reproducing infomation that you and others on here have already read.

I remember this assertion being made before and it was not shown to be true at all. One of us is 'misremembering' it seems.

[Mr Gray]

https://www.hud.ac.uk/ourstaff/profile/index.php?staffuid=sappaw3

This article shows the alerts are not the exact science some think them to be.