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stephen25000

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Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #270 on: April 17, 2016, 10:03:55 AM »
That is quite enough, thank you.  No one knows whether or not The McCanns were interviewed by Scotland Yard.

But this is just going round and round in ever decreasing, Off Topic circles.

Alert in the garden.

We know.

and that is not extracting the urine.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #271 on: April 17, 2016, 10:51:17 AM »
Forensic Search Dog
A canine that has been specifically trained to indicate a scent source as being from decomposed human tissue. Such animals are also trained to exclude (deconditioned to) the scent of human urine, feces, and semen and will not alert on residual scent from a live human; and have never been trained to locate any scent other than that of decomposed human tissue.
http://www.csst.org/forensic_evidence_canines.html

Anyone who thinks that a 7 year old dog would still be used if he alerted to the above substances is flying in the face of logic imo.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #272 on: April 17, 2016, 10:56:25 AM »
Forensic Search Dog
A canine that has been specifically trained to indicate a scent source as being from decomposed human tissue. Such animals are also trained to exclude (deconditioned to) the scent of human urine, feces, and semen and will not alert on residual scent from a live human; and have never been trained to locate any scent other than that of decomposed human tissue.
http://www.csst.org/forensic_evidence_canines.html

Anyone who thinks that a 7 year old dog would still be used if he alerted to the above substances is flying in the face of logic imo.

He was used, even though he alerted to Blood.  Who knows what other substances he would alert to.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #273 on: April 17, 2016, 11:02:43 AM »
Forensic Search Dog
A canine that has been specifically trained to indicate a scent source as being from decomposed human tissue. Such animals are also trained to exclude (deconditioned to) the scent of human urine, feces, and semen and will not alert on residual scent from a live human; and have never been trained to locate any scent other than that of decomposed human tissue.
http://www.csst.org/forensic_evidence_canines.html

Anyone who thinks that a 7 year old dog would still be used if he alerted to the above substances is flying in the face of logic imo.

anyone who doesn't accept that NO INFERENCE can be drawn from these alerts is ignoring the experts

ferryman

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Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #274 on: April 17, 2016, 11:24:20 AM »
Forensic Search Dog
A canine that has been specifically trained to indicate a scent source as being from decomposed human tissue. Such animals are also trained to exclude (deconditioned to) the scent of human urine, feces, and semen and will not alert on residual scent from a live human; and have never been trained to locate any scent other than that of decomposed human tissue.
http://www.csst.org/forensic_evidence_canines.html

Anyone who thinks that a 7 year old dog would still be used if he alerted to the above substances is flying in the face of logic imo.

From the above link:

1) There is a significant potential for a dog handler to offer unintentionally misleading or improper testimony about the presence or absence of residual scent from decomposed human tissue.

Quite!

And in your post, you make a very pertinent point.

Grime, indeed, states (in his PdL profile) that Eddie (at the time Grime wrote it) was aged 7.

Grime is (purported) to have taken Eddie to America for this (alleged) 'enhanced' training in the New Year 2006.

Assuming Grime wrote his PdL profile in 2007, Eddie's age would have been the same as the last digit of the year, meaning (in 2005-6) Eddie would have been aged about 5 or 6 and then (certainly) 18 months from retirement as a police dog (even if he continued to work privately for Grime some time thereafter).

If we (in England) are going to indulge the expense and hypocrisy of sending dogs to America to be trained in ways outlawed as illegal and unethical in England, why would we indulge that expense and hypocrisy on a dog, at the time Eddie is supposed to have gone, aged about 5 or 6, and 18 months from retirement from police service?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #275 on: April 17, 2016, 11:36:38 AM »
One day I may properly understand what your posts actually mean but until then, ponder the question - why did SYP relinquish ownership of those 2 money-making assets?

Maybe because the handler left SYP?
It is common practice for dogs to be retired out with their handler. Jeez you ought to know that.
What my post meant is this:
The world of McCannophilia is such that no law whether scientific or any other kind applies as it does elsewhere in the world if it is detrimental to the official line.
The debates are a bit like a Sunday League football match. Only three rules.
1 If it's moving kick it.
2 If it's not moving kick it till it does.
3 When in doubt play the man not the ball.

Don't take it too seriously it's really jolly good fun all round and not supposed to make sense.


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stephen25000

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Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #276 on: April 17, 2016, 11:42:33 AM »
anyone who doesn't accept that NO INFERENCE can be drawn from these alerts is ignoring the experts


Which forensic scientists are you referring to ?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #277 on: April 17, 2016, 11:42:52 AM »
This article shows the alerts are not the exact science some think them to be.

Who said they were an exact science?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #278 on: April 17, 2016, 11:49:05 AM »
The stock response from "supporters" to articles posted seems to be:
Gene Keela and Eddie were rubbish dogs with a rubbish handler.
They can't be daft enough to think that worldwide the law is "all dogs and handlers are rubbish".......surely?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

ferryman

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Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #279 on: April 17, 2016, 11:53:07 AM »
The stock response from "supporters" to articles posted seems to be:
Gene Keela and Eddie were rubbish dogs with a rubbish handler.
They can't be daft enough to think that worldwide the law is "all dogs and handlers are rubbish".......surely?

Strawman.

Those of us on the side of truth of justice (for both Madeleine and Kate and Gerry) have never (particularly) had a grouse against the dog (even if the conclusion of official enquiry into the Haut de la Garenne debacle was that the dog was probably not very good).

Our grouse has long been against the dog-handler.

Get the distinction?

stephen25000

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Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #280 on: April 17, 2016, 12:06:21 PM »
Strawman.

Those of us on the side of truth of justice (for both Madeleine and Kate and Gerry) have never (particularly) had a grouse against the dog (even if the conclusion of official enquiry into the Haut de la Garenne debacle was that the dog was probably not very good).

Our grouse has long been against the dog-handler.

Get the distinction?

Your grouse is for anything which contestants abduction.

Got the distinction ?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #281 on: April 17, 2016, 12:12:26 PM »

I will be deleting anything further that looks even remotely like an Insult, or Off Topic.

Offline sadie

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #282 on: April 17, 2016, 12:33:51 PM »
Which part of the first couple paragraphs refers to bodily fluids from live humans?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VOLUME_IXprocesso_2263.jpg

If you cant provide a cite for eddie having undergone two types of training maybe someone else can...will check back later

Which part of the first couple paragraphs refers to bodily fluids from live humans?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VOLUME_IXprocesso_2263.jpg

If you cant provide a cite for eddie having undergone two types of training maybe someone else can...will check back later

Thank you so much Mercury.  The very first sentence says it all.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VOLUME_IXprocesso_2263.jpg


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'Eddie' The Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (E.V.R.D.) will search for and locate human remains and body fluids including blood to very small samples in any environment or terrain.

So, as I said, Eddie alerts to bodily fluids in addition to blood and human remains..  Urine is a bodily fluid.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #283 on: April 17, 2016, 12:50:55 PM »
He was used, even though he alerted to Blood.  Who knows what other substances he would alert to.

We know because we are told by Grime. You must be very careful you are not calling him a liar Eleanor.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #284 on: April 17, 2016, 12:52:26 PM »
We know because we are told by Grime. You must be very careful you are not calling him a liar Eleanor.

Grime does not say eddie only alerts to cadaver and blood