Eddie's alert in the garden

[Benice]

There's not much to dig there, very much occupied by the roots of a Bougainvilliers.

So they wouldn't know whether Eddie had alerted to something below ground which was totally unrelated to Madeleine.

[DCI]

There's not much to dig there, very much occupied by the roots of a Bougainvilliers.

Thats true. Plus nearly all the other dogs had been in that flower bed, 3 months before.

[ferryman]

There's not much to dig there, very much occupied by the roots of a Bougainvilliers.

So they wouldn't know whether Eddie had alerted to something below ground which was totally unrelated to Madeleine.

The garden had recently been fertilised and there is a fertiliser that is pig-based ...

[AnneGuedes]

There's not much to dig there, very much occupied by the roots of a Bougainvilliers.

So they wouldn't know whether Eddie had alerted to something below ground which was totally unrelated to Madeleine.

Since Eddie only alerts to human remains, this is a macabre suggestion, Benice.

[AnneGuedes]

There's not much to dig there, very much occupied by the roots of a Bougainvilliers.

So they wouldn't know whether Eddie had alerted to something below ground which was totally unrelated to Madeleine.

The garden had recently been fertilised and there is a fertiliser that is pig-based ...

And for some reason they used the fertiliser to clean the flat...

[ferryman]

There's not much to dig there, very much occupied by the roots of a Bougainvilliers.

So they wouldn't know whether Eddie had alerted to something below ground which was totally unrelated to Madeleine.

The garden had recently been fertilised and there is a fertiliser that is pig-based ...

And for some reason they used the fertiliser to clean the flat...

That's probably more likely to be down to Mr Gordon's shaving cut.

Or straightforward alerting error, such as cuddle-cat ...

[Redblossom]

That's probably more likely to be down to Mr Gordon's shaving cut.

Or straightforward alerting error, such as cuddle-cat ...

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If an error, then Keela was in error too

And a bad shaving cut that took 45 minutes to stop whilst wandering around the apartment wouldnt have left just a few microscopic bits of blood in just one spot behind the sofa!

[ferryman]

That's probably more likely to be down to Mr Gordon's shaving cut.

Or straightforward alerting error, such as cuddle-cat ...

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If an error, then Keela was in error too

And a bad shaving cut that took 45 minutes to stop whilst wandering around the apartment wouldnt have left just a few microscopic bits of blood in just one spot behind the sofa!

As Grime himself explains, the place where Eddie alerts is not necessarily the place where the source of the alert was deposited ...

[Redblossom]

That's probably more likely to be down to Mr Gordon's shaving cut.

Or straightforward alerting error, such as cuddle-cat ...

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If an error, then Keela was in error too

And a bad shaving cut that took 45 minutes to stop whilst wandering around the apartment wouldnt have left just a few microscopic bits of blood in just one spot behind the sofa!

As Grime himself explains, the place where Eddie alerts is not necessarily the place where the source of the alert was deposited ...

But it is for Keela so.....thats that as far as blood and Eddie is concerned

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[ferryman]

That's probably more likely to be down to Mr Gordon's shaving cut.

Or straightforward alerting error, such as cuddle-cat ...

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If an error, then Keela was in error too

And a bad shaving cut that took 45 minutes to stop whilst wandering around the apartment wouldnt have left just a few microscopic bits of blood in just one spot behind the sofa!

As Grime himself explains, the place where Eddie alerts is not necessarily the place where the source of the alert was deposited ...

But it is for Keela so.....thats that as far as blood and Eddie is concerned

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You think Keela found all blood there was to find?

Was Keela deployed in the bathroom?

[Redblossom]

You think Keela found all blood there was to find?

Was Keela deployed in the bathroom?

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You know the answer to that, she was not, as Eddie had been, and gave no alert.

[ferryman]

You think Keela found all blood there was to find?

Was Keela deployed in the bathroom?

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You know the answer to that, she was not, as Eddie had been, and gave no alert.

Very likely there was more blood than Keela found.

And as Grime himself says, the place Eddie alerts is not necessarily the (original) site of the deposit, because airborne molecules carrying the scent drift with movement of air in enclosed spaces.

There is also that cut of Lino, the PJ officer ...

[Redblossom]

Very likely there was more blood than Keela found.

And as Grime himself says, the place Eddie alerts is not necessarily the (original) site of the deposit, because airborne molecules carrying the scent drift with movement of air in enclosed spaces.

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Where? And why did not Eddie alert to it?

As for Grime's explanation about place of deposit and place of settlement, I very much doubt he was referring to blood but to cadaver scent.

Are you  suggesting there was blood in the bathroom and Eddie alerted in the bedroom instead  because the scent of blood had travelled there?? That's really stretching it! Lol

[ferryman]

Very likely there was more blood than Keela found.

And as Grime himself says, the place Eddie alerts is not necessarily the (original) site of the deposit, because airborne molecules carrying the scent drift with movement of air in enclosed spaces.

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Where? And why did not Eddie alert to it?

As for Grime's explanation about place of deposit and place of settlement, I very much doubt he was referring to blood but to cadaver scent.

Are you  suggesting there was blood in the bathroom and Eddie alerted in the bedroom instead  because the scent of blood had travelled there?? That's really stretching it! Lol

As an aficionado of Grime, you should know that Grime himself says that the place Eddie alerts is not necessarily the place where the source of the alert was deposited.  That is because molecules bearing the scent that carries the odour move with movement of air in enclosed spaces.

[Redblossom]

I already commented on that. perhaps you missed it. I dont think a) he was talking about blood and b) does not suggest the scent travels throughout several rooms of a house, it is clear to me the scent originated in that room and not the bathroom.

And I find your theory  quite implausible at best, but you are free to have your opinions.

Ok what was done was we deployed the victim recovery dog into the apartment and by experience and the training of the dog what I first noticed is that as soon as I came in that the dog was very excited and as a handler I can pick up his body language etc and it would appear to me that as soon as he has come into the house he's picked up a scent that he recognises and he has then gone through the apartment trying to source where that scent source has come from and as he has worked through the house the only two places where he picks up enough scent to give me the bark alert are in this bedroom, in this corner where he was barking.

What we have to be able to understand in a situation such as this is in a hot climate with the apartment being closed down, the scent will build up in a particular area. If there isn't a scent source in here, i.e. a physical article where the scent is emitting from, any scent residue will collect in a particular place due to the air movement of the flat, the apartment and what I would say in this case is that there is enough scent in that area there for him to give me a bark indication but the source may not be in that cupboard, the source may well be in this room somewhere else but the air is actually pushing into that corner. But strong indication and I would say its positive for things that he is trained to find, which will be part of a separate debrief.

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