Who were the witnesses who saw a man loitering near the McCann's apartment ?

[icabodcrane]

I've just been watching the McCann documentary which John kindly posted

Right at the start, Dave Edgar, the McCann's private detective, speaks of witnesses who saw a man hanging around the McCann's apartment some dayd before Madeleine went missing

The witnesses aren't named  ( naturally )  but I wondered if anyone had come across their statements in the police files

The first witness was a British tourist who was with her young daughter when she saw the man.  The second witness was a schoolgirl,  and the third was a tourist from Cheshire who was with his wife

The only description offered in the documentary was that given by the first witness.  She describes the man as being very ugly, with pitted skin and a big nose

During the reconstruction, the same actor is used in all three witness depictions ...  suggesting that the same man was seen in each instance

I am assuming, therefore,  that the other witnesses  ( particularly the tourist from Cheshire who walked directly past the man, had a good look at him, and even made eye contact )  must have given the same description as the first witness  ...   very ugly, pock marked, and with a big nose

Can anyone confirm that to be the case  ?

[icabodcrane]

Dave Edgar placed great importance on these witness statements,  and in her book Kate says they are very significant

Is nothing known about these witnesses apart from the information given by the private detective   ?

[AnneGuedes]

Isn't it a bit absurd, Icabodcrane, to spot during day-time French windows which were locked from the inside in day time but not at night ? How would the spotter deduce the latter from the first ?

[AnneGuedes]

Dave Edgar placed great importance on these witness statements,  and in her book Kate says they are very significant

Is nothing known about these witnesses apart from the information given by the private detective   ?

Poor Dave Edgar had to find someone, preferably spotty, hairy, teethy, crookey, hunchy, in a word ugly as described by the school girl.

[Redblossom]

The only statement in the files  that clearly describes a spotty man is this one, from the then 12 year old girl, and I believe when followed up led to someone  called Michael Green, who was eliminated


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/T_M_S_AGE_12.htm

Some other bits of info here


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id239.html

and alot of analysis and further  info here to sift throigh on this issue

http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/disgusting-episode-of-distorted.html

[Redblossom]

Silence here is so deafening, nuff said

[sadie]

Soz. missed this thread; have been away a lot the last coupla days

The little girl is Tasmin Silence.  Her grandaprents owned 5A before the present owner.  Her parents had split up and she "lived there" for some time.  Knows the flat inside and outside.  So she was especially interested when she saw the man watching on two seperate occasions, April 30th and May 2nd.

A highly intelligent little girl, she was able to remember him in detail and give a good description

http://madeleinemccannfiles.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/PV3-p800-805-Deposition-Tasmin-Sillence-09-05-07-re-Man-Street-Spying-Dead-Gran-Owned-5A.html.

It was also said that her grandpa had died in hospital and his clothes had been brought back and stored in the wardrobe.  I dont know whether this is true, or a myth. tbh and that is why I haven't mentioned it on the Keela nad Eddie, in 5A, threads.  But if true it could account for markings by the dogs.

Has anyone else heard this?


I know nothing about the lady with the child or the couple.

[Redblossom]

It was also said that her grandpa had died in hospital and his clothes had been brought back and stored in the wardrobe.  I dont know whether this is true, or a myth. tbh and that is why I haven't mentioned it on the Keela nad Eddie, in 5A, threads.  But if true it could account for markings by the dogs.

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Well perhaps you can tell the board where you read it then and WHEN

[AnneGuedes]

It was also said that her grandpa had died in hospital and his clothes had been brought back and stored in the wardrobe.  I dont know whether this is true, or a myth. tbh and that is why I haven't mentioned it on the Keela nad Eddie, in 5A, threads.  But if true it could account for markings by the dogs.

Has anyone else heard this?


I know nothing about the lady with the child or the couple.

I never heard of this one ! Have you got a link ? But somebody dying in a hospital normally hasn't his daily clothes on...

[sadie]

i have made it quite clear that I cannot remember where I read it, but it might have been on an early forum that I was on.

I have also made it quite clear that it might be a myth.

That should be sufficient.   



I hoped that someone else might remember mention of it, and if not it must have been in a PM.  In which case, if I cant prove it, I am content for it to be ignored and considered a myth

[AnneGuedes]

if I cant prove it, I am content for it to be ignored and considered a myth

You know, Sadie, that urban legends, when denied, gain weight ?

[icabodcrane]

Soz. missed this thread; have been away a lot the last coupla days

The little girl is Tasmin Silence.  Her grandaprents owned 5A before the present owner.  Her parents had split up and she "lived there" for some time.  Knows the flat inside and outside.  So she was especially interested when she saw the man watching on two seperate occasions, April 30th and May 2nd.

A highly intelligent little girl, she was able to remember him in detail and give a good description

http://madeleinemccannfiles.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/PV3-p800-805-Deposition-Tasmin-Sillence-09-05-07-re-Man-Street-Spying-Dead-Gran-Owned-5A.html.

It was also said that her grandpa had died in hospital and his clothes had been brought back and stored in the wardrobe.  I dont know whether this is true, or a myth. tbh and that is why I haven't mentioned it on the Keela nad Eddie, in 5A, threads.  But if true it could account for markings by the dogs.

Has anyone else heard this?


I know nothing about the lady with the child or the couple.

Thanks sadie   (  I was counting on you to supply some info  ) 

[Anthro]

The question was raised, if the man Tasmin Silence saw on two occasions loitering in the vicinity of apartment 5A could perhaps be James Gorrod. The picture is her e-fit on the right and Gorrod on the left. Does anyone know more about this?

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[pathfinder73]

A good liking but the glasses looked similar in design to the ones Neil Berry was wearing. I think these alleged watchers were in fact tourists loitering about but to locals they are still strangers and therefore more likely to report them as possibly being involved.

[sadie]

The question was raised, if the man Tasmin Silence saw on two occasions loitering in the vicinity of apartment 5A could perhaps be James Gorrod. The picture is her e-fit on the right and Gorrod on the left. Does anyone know more about this?

An amazing likeness for the lower part of the face.   The upper part, unfortunately, is hidden by enormous sun glssses, shade and hat.   


I bet, if interested, that SY would have the means to get a clearer image of the parts in shade ... and, of course they would be able to see the real man, himself