Scotland Yard are examining phone traffic in PDL on May 3 2007

[pegasus]

(snip)
Tue 1 May 2007
Kate McCanns mobile was next activated six times, in rapid fire, between 22.16 and 22.27

Source is OA13 169

[mercury]

Source is OA13 169

Can you spell that out for the non james bond readership and guests ?

I worked out what it meant after a quick think but its not fair to all

That reminds me, off to watch spooks..night or early morning to all
Oa13 169 lol signing out

[pegasus]

Outros Apensos 13. page 169
IMO it's nothing suspicious.

[pathfinder73]

Outros Apensos 13. page 169
IMO it's nothing suspicious.

What do you mean nothing suspicious? This happened just before crying started for 75 minutes from a witness.

[Brietta]

What do you mean nothing suspicious? This happened just before crying started for 75 minutes from a witness.

For those who have a command of analysing phone data ... some of whom have given concise guidance on this thread ... this must all seem to be about reinventing the wheel yet again.

The phone traffic which is of interest to the present investigation would appear to be among criminals who were in the area at the time and who were in communication with each other.

[pathfinder73]

For those who have a command of analysing phone data ... some of whom have given concise guidance on this thread ... this must all seem to be about reinventing the wheel yet again.

The phone traffic which is of interest to the present investigation would appear to be among criminals who were in the area at the time and who were in communication with each other.

Tue was a much easler night for any abduction with no checks done for 75 minutes. They seemed to be checking more often on the night she disappeared. They were all arriving passing the apartment from 8:30 to 9 so that gives less than an hour for her to go missing while many checks were happening.

[Brietta]

Tue was a much easler night for any abduction with no checks done for 75 minutes. They seemed to be checking more often on the night she disappeared.

Off topic PF, please stick to 'phone traffic'.

[pathfinder73]

Off topic PF, please stick to 'phone traffic'.

You don't know that they aren't examining tapas 9 phone traffic. Detectives will be examining all relevant phone traffic.

[jassi]

You don't know that they aren't examining tapas 9 phone traffic. Detectives will be examining all relevant phone traffic.

Indeed, have SY told us whose records they are examining ? If so,  I must have missed that little detail.

[Alice Purjorick]

Presumably these criminals were serious dudes and not some nutters high as kites recording happy slappy selfie stuff for posterity? It does happen and they usually get caught pdq cos they use contract phones.
Given they were actual serious dudes and were going to kidnap someone they would know enough to use non contract PAYG, aka "burner phones". So tracing them would be impossible unless they were stupid enough to top up using a kosher credit card.

[jassi]

Presumably these criminals were serious dudes and not some nutters high as kites recording happy slappy selfie stuff for posterity? It does happen and they usually get caught pdq cos they use contract phones.
Given they were actual serious dudes and were going to kidnap someone they would know enough to use non contract PAYG, aka "burner phones". So tracing them would be impossible unless they were stupid enough to top up using a kosher credit card.

If they were serious dudes, it would be a stolen card anyway.

[pathfinder73]

Presumably these criminals were serious dudes and not some nutters high as kites recording happy slappy selfie stuff for posterity? It does happen and they usually get caught pdq cos they use contract phones.
Given they were actual serious dudes and were going to kidnap someone they would know enough to use non contract PAYG, aka "burner phones". So tracing them would be impossible unless they were stupid enough to top up using a kosher credit card.

Two new PAYG Samsung mobiles were received on 4 May 2007.

1485 "And what phones were they' Do you remember what sort of, what make they were''
 Reply "Err they were Samsung phones, err and I think they were Vodaphone SIM cards. Err the actual model, I can't tell you the Samsung phone but they were, something like the Samsung three hundred, something like that.'
1485 "Yeah, how many phones were there''
 Reply "There was, there was two err and we ended up, err again, we ended up keeping one and Kate and Gerry had one, I think we gave the second one to Kate and Gerry as well after a while but we were err you know because they'd got credit put on to them so we were just using those phones rather than run up the expense of our own phones.'

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

[Brietta]

You don't know that they aren't examining tapas 9 phone traffic. Detectives will be examining all relevant phone traffic.

That will be why the original investigators ignored the examinations carried out on the phones of the tapas nine and when looking for cause to make the McCann's arguidos opted instead for 'Kate's dream' and the alerts of dogs which the handler had told them had to be checked out by forensics before anything could be made of them.

The PJ at the time checked the McCann phone traffic ... no doubt Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria did too ... but casting the net just a little bit wider, led to both law enforcement agencies taking a closer look at other phone traffic entirely.

[Brietta]

Two new PAYG Samsung mobiles were received on 4 May 2007.

1485 "And what phones were they' Do you remember what sort of, what make they were''
 Reply "Err they were Samsung phones, err and I think they were Vodaphone SIM cards. Err the actual model, I can't tell you the Samsung phone but they were, something like the Samsung three hundred, something like that.'
1485 "Yeah, how many phones were there''
 Reply "There was, there was two err and we ended up, err again, we ended up keeping one and Kate and Gerry had one, I think we gave the second one to Kate and Gerry as well after a while but we were err you know because they'd got credit put on to them so we were just using those phones rather than run up the expense of our own phones.'

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

Delivered to them in the police station I believe.

Exactly what do you think is remarkable or suspicious about Dr Payne's rogatory statement?  How do you suggest they should have communicated if not via local handsets?

[pathfinder73]

The police wanted the phones Brietta. Why don't you ask them why?

1485 "The phone, is it likely that I could collect it when I take you home''

 Reply "I can certainly have a look for it and I can give you, I mean if you, if you wanted to have my other mobile phone with all the numbers in and you know if you can access text messages on that you're welcome to have that phone.'

1485 "Okay, do you know where you'd be able to put your hand on it if you''

 Reply "Err the Samsung one, again, there was a Vodaphone bag that was knocking around, and that would be where it is if err I can find it. Fiona might know.'

1485 "Okay, perhaps you could give her a call or something.'

 Reply "Yeah, yeah.'

1485 "Alright then, it's now sixteen forty on this date.'

 01:09:48 The interview ceased at 1640 hours when the tape recorder was switched off.
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