A thank you note from Goncalo, on Moore's site ...

[Carana]

How odd, he seems to have only used a Portuguese keyboard for two words, Portimão and Gonçalo 

Hmm. No, the original Portuguese has accents.

[Carana]

However, I'm none the wiser as to what this phrase actually meant:


Não nos conformamos com a limitação dos nossos direitos fundamentais por decisões judiciais inconstitucionais que põem em causa o exercício da liberdade de expressão responsável.

[Carana]

I think it must be pretty obvious to any tom dick or harry whether they speak portuguese or not, english or not, that what he meant was he wouldnt tolerate the restriction on freedom of speech which the PT constitution  upholds, even if some judge seems to ovveride the constitution, which she did at first and was found unsound later, by more senior judges, very simple and nothing SINISTER, apart from in  biased wumming minds like yours

Could you post that aspect of the PT constitution? Not everyone here would know what you are referring to.

[Redblossom]

Could you post that aspect of the PT constitution? Not everyone here would know what you are referring to.

No, not into THAT sort of detail, I will leave that to obsessives about the ps and qs,devil is in the detail but not in this case/OP pretty simple with end ofs basically, but some like to make mountains of out molehills and GOSH maybe myths
 



Catch u later

[DCI]

Hmm. No, the original Portuguese has accents.

Thanks Carana, clever girl 

So does Portimao and Goncalo, translate with accents?

[Carana]

Thanks Carana, clever girl 

So does Portimao and Goncalo, translate with accents?

It might depend on suggestions submitted to help improve automatic translations. They were allowed at one point, I'm not sure if they still are.

[AnneGuedes]

Artigo 37.º
Liberdade de expressão e informação

 1. Todos têm o direito de exprimir e divulgar livremente o seu pensamento pela palavra, pela imagem ou por qualquer outro meio, bem como o direito de informar, de se informar e de ser informados, sem impedimentos nem discriminações.

2. O exercício destes direitos não pode ser impedido ou limitado por qualquer tipo ou forma de censura.

3. As infracções cometidas no exercício destes direitos ficam submetidas aos princípios gerais de direito criminal ou do ilícito de mera ordenação social, sendo a sua apreciação respectivamente da competência dos tribunais judiciais ou de entidade administrativa independente, nos termos da lei.

4. A todas as pessoas, singulares ou colectivas, é assegurado, em condições de igualdade e eficácia, o direito de resposta e de rectificação, bem como o direito a indemnização pelos danos sofridos.

[Carana]

No, not into THAT sort of detail, I will leave that to obsessives about the ps and qs,devil is in the detail but not in this case/OP pretty simple with end ofs basically, but some like to make mountains of out molehills and GOSH maybe myths
 



Catch u later

But if you don't, then your earlier post remains unclear.

Quote from: Redblossom on Today at 07:35:43 PM

    I think it must be pretty obvious to any tom dick or harry whether they speak portuguese or not, english or not, that what he meant was he wouldnt tolerate the restriction on freedom of speech which the PT constitution  upholds, even if some judge seems to ovveride the constitution, which she did at first and was found unsound later, by more senior judges, very simple and nothing SINISTER, apart from in  biased wumming minds like yours

[DCI]

Artigo 37.º
Liberdade de expressão e informação

 1. Todos têm o direito de exprimir e divulgar livremente o seu pensamento pela palavra, pela imagem ou por qualquer outro meio, bem como o direito de informar, de se informar e de ser informados, sem impedimentos nem discriminações.

2. O exercício destes direitos não pode ser impedido ou limitado por qualquer tipo ou forma de censura.

3. As infracções cometidas no exercício destes direitos ficam submetidas aos princípios gerais de direito criminal ou do ilícito de mera ordenação social, sendo a sua apreciação respectivamente da competência dos tribunais judiciais ou de entidade administrativa independente, nos termos da lei.

4. A todas as pessoas, singulares ou colectivas, é assegurado, em condições de igualdade e eficácia, o direito de resposta e de rectificação, bem como o direito a indemnização pelos danos sofridos.

Article 37. º
Freedom of expression and information

  1. Everyone has the right freely to express and disseminate his thoughts by words, images or by any other means, as well as the right to inform, to inform and be informed without hindrance or discrimination.

2. The exercise of these rights shall not be hindered or limited by any type or form of censorship.

3. Offenses committed in the exercise of these rights are subject to the general principles of criminal law or administrative offenses social, respectively and their appraisal of the competence of the courts or an independent administrative body, in accordance with law.

4. To all persons, natural or legal persons is ensured in conditions of equality and effectiveness, the right of reply and rectification, as well as the right to compensation for damages.

[AnneGuedes]

Article 37. º
Freedom of expression and information

  1. Everyone has the right  to express freely and reveal his thoughts by words, images or by any other means, as well as the right to inform, to inform oneself and be informed without objections or discriminations.

2. The exercise of these rights shall not be prevented or limited by any type or form of censorship.

3. Offences committed in the exercise of these rights are subject to the general principles of criminal law or of illegality of mere social order, respectively, and their appraisal of the competence of the courts or an independent administrative body, in conformity with law.

4. To all persons, natural or legal persons is ensured in conditions of equality and effectiveness, the right of reply and rectification, as well as the right to compensation for related damages.

[Mo Stache]

Article 37. º
Freedom of expression and information

  1. Everyone has the right freely to express and disseminate his thoughts by words, images or by any other means, as well as the right to inform, to inform and be informed without hindrance or discrimination.

2. The exercise of these rights shall not be hindered or limited by any type or form of censorship.

3. Offenses committed in the exercise of these rights are subject to the general principles of criminal law or administrative offenses social, respectively and their appraisal of the competence of the courts or an independent administrative body, in accordance with law.

4. To all persons, natural or legal persons is ensured in conditions of equality and effectiveness, the right of reply and rectification, as well as the right to compensation for damages.

AND is followed by:

However freedom of expression is not an unlimited right. When the Portuguese
Constitution says that this right “shall not be prevented or restricted”, this does not mean
that this right has no limits, as clearly stated in article 37, n.º 3. Freedom of speech has
limits, and those limits exist to protect several other constitutional rights and interests,
which are also criminally protected. Among them we can find citizen rights to their moral
integrity, good name and reputation. That way, injury, defamation or instigation of a
crime cannot be taken as a sign of freedom of speech or expression.
- Article 37. º Freedom of expression and information, Portuguese law continued.

[AnneGuedes]

?
http://www.parlamento.pt/Legislacao/Paginas/ConstituicaoRepublicaPortuguesa.aspx#art37

[ferryman]

AND is followed by:

However freedom of expression is not an unlimited right. When the Portuguese
Constitution says that this right “shall not be prevented or restricted”, this does not mean
that this right has no limits, as clearly stated in article 37, n.º 3. Freedom of speech has
limits, and those limits exist to protect several other constitutional rights and interests,
which are also criminally protected. Among them we can find citizen rights to their moral
integrity, good name and reputation. That way, injury, defamation or instigation of a
crime cannot be taken as a sign of freedom of speech or expression.
- Article 37. º Freedom of expression and information, Portuguese law continued.

Among them we can find citizen rights to their moral
integrity, good name and reputation.

That definitely means you can groundlessly accuse a citizen of being responsible for the death of his/her child, concealing his/her body, launching a fraudulent "appeal" in his/her name and spending the proceeds of said appeal frivolously to enhance personal life-style.

Obviously ....

[Redblossom]

But if you don't, then your earlier post remains unclear.

Quote from: Redblossom on Today at 07:35:43 PM

    I think it must be pretty obvious to any tom dick or harry whether they speak portuguese or not, english or not, that what he meant was he wouldnt tolerate the restriction on freedom of speech which the PT constitution  upholds, even if some judge seems to ovveride the constitution, which she did at first and was found unsound later, by more senior judges, very simple and nothing SINISTER, apart from in  biased wumming minds like yours

No it is totally clear and simple, I offered my interpretation, its easy to se  was correct, if you want to grind grains of sand beyond that, do it yourself or ask others to, in fact ask the appelate court why they overturned the decision to ban a book, they will know

[ferryman]

it is totally clear and simple, I offered my interpretation

Why would your interpretation to something totally clear be necessary?