Author Topic: Locally to PdL  (Read 45936 times)

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stephen25000

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Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #120 on: July 01, 2013, 07:38:24 AM »
A small child went missing from that apartment, the rest is police business.

The case was shelved in Portugal, but Scotland Yard are investigating now.

Amaral worked so hard to get those parents arrested for the disappearance of their child and even with his bias, he couldn't do it, there was nothing to implicate them.

Let's wait and see if the arguido status is invoked in the coming decade.

Not just Amaral, as you well know. It was the view of the PJ.

Try to remember it was the UK police who told the PJ to investigate the Mccanns.

Offline Benice

Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #121 on: July 01, 2013, 07:51:13 AM »
Not just Amaral, as you well know. It was the view of the PJ.

Try to remember it was the UK police who told the PJ to investigate the Mccanns.

The family are always the first to be investigated in order to be 'ruled in' or 'ruled out'.   It's basic police procedure.  The fact that course of action  had to be suggested to him by the UK police, is even more proof of his ineptitude imo.

 
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #122 on: July 01, 2013, 07:53:13 AM »
The family are always the first to be investigated in order to be 'ruled in' or 'ruled out'.   It's basic police procedure.  The fact that course of action  had to be suggested to him by the UK police, is even more proof of his ineptitude imo.

How do you know that ?
« Last Edit: November 03, 2016, 03:53:47 PM by ShiningInLuz »

Offline Benice

Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #123 on: July 01, 2013, 10:09:45 AM »
The family are always the first to be investigated in order to be 'ruled in' or 'ruled out'.   It's basic police procedure.  The fact that course of action  had to be suggested to him by the UK police, is even more proof of his ineptitude imo.

How do you know that ?

It's common knowledge.    It's also common sense.   

It was because of the trained observations made by the Family Liaison officer of Shannon Matthews' mother that she was found out and charged.     


« Last Edit: November 03, 2016, 03:54:39 PM by ShiningInLuz »
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

AnneGuedes

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Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #124 on: July 01, 2013, 11:13:08 AM »
It shouldn't be forgotten that the PJ is under the control of the MP.
And it shouldn't be forgotten that there are occurrences of bodies disposed of in bins in the UK, not in Portugal.
The PJ is certainly better equipped, mentally, to deal with crimes committed by or on Portugueses than with crimes perpetrated by or on foreigners. See for example the difficulties the French had in the Dominici case or in the Dickinson case.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #125 on: July 01, 2013, 12:31:30 PM »
give us some other hypotheses please Anne, with a few facts thrown in.

Am listening.

Still waiting for yours with regard to the Smith sighting sadie  ?{)(**
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Angelo222

Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #126 on: July 01, 2013, 04:09:04 PM »
It shouldn't be forgotten that the PJ is under the control of the MP.
And it shouldn't be forgotten that there are occurrences of bodies disposed of in bins in the UK, not in Portugal.
The PJ is certainly better equipped, mentally, to deal with crimes committed by or on Portugueses than with crimes perpetrated by or on foreigners. See for example the difficulties the French had in the Dominici case or in the Dickinson case.

My own view is that the PJ were overwhelmed and under extreme pressure to come up with the goods Anne.   When the preliminary DNA tests came through Amaral must have thought all his Christmas's had come at once but when he later learned that they were inconclusive he must have been devastated.  Poor guy.....he really never ever did come back from that.    8(8-))
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De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

AnneGuedes

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Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #127 on: July 01, 2013, 05:08:10 PM »
  Poor guy.....he really never ever did come back from that.    8(8-))
No one likes to reckon he/she's been fooled ! Had he been as casual as the experts, it might have been different.

Offline Carana

Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #128 on: July 01, 2013, 05:25:21 PM »
My own view is that the PJ were overwhelmed and under extreme pressure to come up with the goods Anne.   When the preliminary DNA tests came through Amaral must have thought all his Christmas's had come at once but when he later learned that they were inconclusive he must have been devastated.  Poor guy.....he really never ever did come back from that.    8(8-))


Did he ever realise that the dogs were just an asset in order to localise where physical traces might have been? And that the subsequent DNA results didn't substantiate anything at all?

If he had, why did he write a book, followed by dozens of interviews, plus feature as the hero in a documentary in which no such thing was proven? And insisted that the child died in the apartment, amongst other allegations?

He could have written his book from a different perspective (a provincial cop overwhelmed by the situation, etc).  If he had, he might have seemed more authentic with a poignant story to tell and thus have retained more dignity at the end of the day... and could still have made money out of it.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #129 on: July 01, 2013, 05:49:03 PM »
As any anti-hero Mr Amaral was very useful to make up the heroes, the McCanns. Hadn't he existed, they should have invented him.
Though, whatever the fatality, Mr Amaral wasn't even aware Madeleine existed when it happened to her, all fairies tales need a big bad wolf.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #130 on: July 01, 2013, 06:59:35 PM »
As any anti-hero Mr Amaral was very useful to make up the heroes, the McCanns. Hadn't he existed, they should have invented him.
Though, whatever the fatality, Mr Amaral wasn't even aware Madeleine existed when it happened to her, all fairies tales need a big bad wolf.

A very perceptive post Anne and one with which I agree wholeheartedly.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Jazzy

Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #131 on: July 01, 2013, 07:46:45 PM »
Not just Amaral, as you well know. It was the view of the PJ.

Try to remember it was the UK police who told the PJ to investigate the Mccanns.

Absolutely spot on. With all that scrutiny and determination to find them accountable they were still declared innocent. There was no evidence.

Redblossom

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Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #132 on: July 01, 2013, 07:52:43 PM »
As any anti-hero Mr Amaral was very useful to make up the heroes, the McCanns. Hadn't he existed, they should have invented him.
Though, whatever the fatality, Mr Amaral wasn't even aware Madeleine existed when it happened to her, all fairies tales need a big bad wolf.

Good post! Lotsof bad wolves in this fairytale, big ones, middle sized ones, little ones.....the amount of blame,suspicion, and derision Kate Mccann put on a whole sundry of people and events, many of them who were there to help is astonishing
 8)--))



Offline Angelo222

Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #133 on: July 01, 2013, 08:41:17 PM »
Good post! Lotsof bad wolves in this fairytale, big ones, middle sized ones, little ones.....the amount of blame,suspicion, and derision Kate Mccann put on a whole sundry of people and events, many of them who were there to help is astonishing
 8)--))

Spot on.   Pointing the finger at the Murat's who only wanted to help was deplorable IMO.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Jazzy

Re: Locally to PdL
« Reply #134 on: July 01, 2013, 08:53:20 PM »
As any anti-hero Mr Amaral was very useful to make up the heroes, the McCanns. Hadn't he existed, they should have invented him.
Though, whatever the fatality, Mr Amaral wasn't even aware Madeleine existed when it happened to her, all fairies tales need a big bad wolf.

Wasn't he a leading Police Officer, in charge of locating a missing child? He wasn't aware of her before she went missing is a given, but he already had history. His book? Where would that stand with a professional police officer? One with an unblemished history even?

In your own words, is he the "wolf"?  His history?

Can you clarify "the fatality" please, Anne?