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Offline south of the river

Re: Re: The Amaral theory of what happened to Madeleine.
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2013, 05:08:21 PM »
I am prepared to believe that the parents could be involved as history does tell us that parents do unfortunately mistreat and harm their children - but looking at this as an investigator would I have to see means and the above examples of how crazy the various theories are to try an incorporate all the witnesses just seems impossible.

Bodies don't just  disappear - Are we really to believe that in the 6 weeks until the hire car rental her body was hidden in the village - either in a bin or an abandoned house ??

No for me whatever happened to Maddie - she was not in the town = over the border

I read with incredulity some of the more vociferous views on other sites such as Tanners where they have a big joke about how the abduction is not possible - yet I have never seen a logical feasible explanation on how the body was disposed and never discovered by Gerry in the time frame he had

Granted some of the more way out theories involve duplicate Maddies , swinging and cocaine !!

Rachel Granada

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Re: Re: The Amaral theory of what happened to Madeleine.
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2013, 05:15:58 PM »
I've always said that Amaral's most libellous comments aren't in his book but in the various interviews he later did.

That is a good point Mrs B.  It's just a shame that the wheels grind so slowly in PT, but hopefully it won't be too long before he is made to stop his lies once and for all.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Re: The Amaral theory of what happened to Madeleine.
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2013, 05:28:00 PM »
Later, between 22.00 and 22.30, when the witness was in the kitchen, he was informed by a colleague that in the meantime a client had entered the restaurant shouting and that afterwards the whole English had left in a panic. The witness' colleague told him that this individual had said that a child had disappeared. A few minutes later the witness noticed great agitation, with many people everywhere searching for the child.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAQUIM-J-M-BAPTISTA.htm

So no first hand evidence as I said.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Re: The Amaral theory of what happened to Madeleine.
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2013, 05:32:20 PM »
Gerry didn't go into Pdl he just took the one road back to the apartment.  He could have no idea what was going on elsewhere in the village.

I find it hard to believe that when they parted company Jez would not notice which direction Gerry headed off in.  i.e.  Up to road to the apartment, or down the road to the restaurant.    He didn't just vanish into thin air on the spot.

If you really believe that all those people could take the news that Madeleine was dead, and still remain sitting at the table eating their meals and carrying on as if Gerry had just told them he'd found a dead beetle on his way back to the table, then we have no chance of agreeing on anything Faith. 

The shock would be massive!  It is not humanly possible for them to be able to appear totally unmoved - and to calmly start planning a cover up.  Kate would have been beside herself from the moment she heard the news.  This was her little daughter FGS!   There would be pandemonium!     And no way would the restaurant staff have NOT noticed it.   However, they didn't notice anything odd, and that's because nothing odd happened.

Give it up Faith - the reaction and behaviour you are suggesting is not humanly possibly to achieve  - especially when you have had no notice at all of what is about to happen.

As I said we have no idea when the rest of their friends learned of Madeline's death, perhaps it was only after the alarm.

As to Jez knowing in what direction Gerry went after he left him, it's obvious from his statement that he wasn't sure.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Carana

Re: Re: The Amaral theory of what happened to Madeleine.
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2013, 05:43:20 PM »
As I said we have no idea when the rest of their friends learned of Madeline's death, perhaps it was only after the alarm.

As to Jez knowing in what direction Gerry went after he left him, it's obvious from his statement that he wasn't sure.

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Offline Mrs. B

Re: Re: The Amaral theory of what happened to Madeleine.
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2013, 05:53:53 PM »

Jeronimo Tomas Rodigues Salcedo, a Tapas bar waiter (who saw Gerry McCann searching the children’s play area at the point whilst Dianne Webster was still sitting at the restaurant table)

"On the night Madeleine disappeared, everything appeared normal. I remember that when I took notice of the disappearance, I had been in the restaurant speaking with my two colleagues?Ze and Ricardo who were on break. I returned to the restaurant and noticed that the table of nine was empty with the exception of the older woman. I went over to the table and joked with her: ?They've left you alone?? She responded more of less with these words: ?No, they went to see if the little girl was there.? I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment. At saying this, I saw the man. Who I knew later to be Madeleines father, running to the pool and to the childrens play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Milenium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching. I believe that this was between 21H30 and 22H00 but do not remember with certainty."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JERONIMO-SALCEDAS.htm
 

Offline Carana

Re: Re: The Amaral theory of what happened to Madeleine.
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2013, 06:08:46 PM »
I've always said that Amaral's most libellous comments aren't in his book but in the various interviews he later did.


Yes, I agree.

Offline Benice

Re: Re: The Amaral theory of what happened to Madeleine.
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2013, 06:28:31 PM »
I've always said that Amaral's most libellous comments aren't in his book but in the various interviews he later did.

Is it known whether it is just his libellous book which he is being sued over - or are interviews and documentaries included?   I've often wondered.   

I've just read that interview again.   I'm appalled at the sheer barefaced dishonesty of the man.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Benice

Re: Re: The Amaral theory of what happened to Madeleine.
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2013, 06:44:00 PM »
A - So did I. She is not cold. There was a moment, in a meeting with them, when we set out the sofa theory. Kate puts her head down, looking distant, and, after a few seconds, she looked up again as if nothing had happened. She looked like she was escaping from the role that she was interpreting.

Here Amaral is giving the impression that he was in on that meeting with Kate when in truth he had never met Kate McCann.  I see he's also peddling the rubbish that Calpol is a "sleeping solution" in that interview.

So just in that one interview he is twisting the truth and lying about Calpol having soporific qualities.

Here he is once again giving the impression that he has met the McCanns.

Q.  What do you see when facing the McCanns?

A.  They are 2 people with much fear, I do not know if they fear to be discovered or fear the police of an  unknown country.
UNQUOTE

He's a past master at ''lying by omission.''  That's when you leave out a vital piece of information in order to give the other person the impression you want them to have, rather than the true impression.   He does the same in his book.   He goes to great lengths to hide the fact that he never ever met or spoke to Kate McCann, and I believe he only met Gerry once - briefly on one occasion, although I've never seen anything to confirm that myself.

Sooooo dishonest. imo. 



The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Mrs. B

Re: Re: The Amaral theory of what happened to Madeleine.
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2013, 06:51:06 PM »
Is it known whether it is just his libellous book which he is being sued over - or are interviews and documentaries included?   I've often wondered.   

I've just read that interview again.   I'm appalled at the sheer barefaced dishonesty of the man.

Don't know exactly how wide their complaint was, but you could of course always argue that these interviews were given in an attempt to advertise his book & is therefore integrally linked to the actual book. Though that remains to be seen.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Re: The Amaral theory of what happened to Madeleine.
« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2013, 07:46:10 PM »
Jeronimo Tomas Rodigues Salcedo, a Tapas bar waiter (who saw Gerry McCann searching the children’s play area at the point whilst Dianne Webster was still sitting at the restaurant table)

"On the night Madeleine disappeared, everything appeared normal. I remember that when I took notice of the disappearance, I had been in the restaurant speaking with my two colleagues?Ze and Ricardo who were on break. I returned to the restaurant and noticed that the table of nine was empty with the exception of the older woman. I went over to the table and joked with her: ?They've left you alone?? She responded more of less with these words: ?No, they went to see if the little girl was there.? I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment. At saying this, I saw the man. Who I knew later to be Madeleines father, running to the pool and to the childrens play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Milenium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching. I believe that this was between 21H30 and 22H00 but do not remember with certainty."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JERONIMO-SALCEDAS.htm

He gave different times in his first statement, when his memory would have been at its clearest.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/J-T-R-Salcedas.htm

'Referring to the day of 3rd May when Madeleine disappeared, the witness says that he was working.

At that time, at about 22.20 - 22.30 he noticed that there was only one person sitting at the group's table, the oldest of them and he asked her jokingly whether they had left her alone.'
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Rachel Granada

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Re: Re: The Amaral theory of what happened to Madeleine.
« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2013, 07:59:56 PM »
Here he is once again giving the impression that he has met the McCanns.

Q.  What do you see when facing the McCanns?

A.  They are 2 people with much fear, I do not know if they fear to be discovered or fear the police of an  unknown country.
UNQUOTE

He's a past master at ''lying by omission.''  That's when you leave out a vital piece of information in order to give the other person the impression you want them to have, rather than the true impression.   He does the same in his book.   He goes to great lengths to hide the fact that he never ever met or spoke to Kate McCann, and I believe he only met Gerry once - briefly on one occasion, although I've never seen anything to confirm that myself.

Sooooo dishonest. imo.

Extremely dishonest.  I can see how people could potentially be sucked into the "McCanns did it" way of thinking by reading stuff like this, and fora where the discredited Tavares de Alemeida interim report is pushed as the Bible for this case, and other downright lies that are being peddled day in, day out.  People just swallowing all this rubbish!

Offline Mrs. B

Re: Re: The Amaral theory of what happened to Madeleine.
« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2013, 08:03:40 PM »
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/J-T-R-Salcedas.htm

At that time, at about 22.20 - 22.30 he noticed that there was only one person sitting at the group's table, the oldest of them and he asked her jokingly whether they had left her alone.

The person in question said that the others had gone to the apartment to look for a girl who had disappeared. Seconds later Madeleine's father appeared, greatly agitated, looking for his daughter everywhere, obviously and immediately heading towards the pool and surrounding areas.

So there's Gerry again, this time around 22.20. Not working really is it, this buying children at the beach theory?


ferryman

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Re: Re: The Amaral theory of what happened to Madeleine.
« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2013, 08:14:27 PM »
He gave different times in his first statement, when his memory would have been at its clearest.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/J-T-R-Salcedas.htm

'Referring to the day of 3rd May when Madeleine disappeared, the witness says that he was working.

At that time, at about 22.20 - 22.30 he noticed that there was only one person sitting at the group's table, the oldest of them and he asked her jokingly whether they had left her alone.'

The Leicestershire police officers who interviewed him should have had his original statement, but didn't query the time he gave.