So what are the various scenarios available to us?

[Redblossom]

I agree, if he had time to plan. If Gerry was the man Martin Smith saw then his actions must have been borne of panic and not logical thought. 

I'm not categorically saying that Gerry was the carrier the Smiths saw, I'm saying, within the timeline presented, it is a possibility.

Everything is possible in crimeland

[DCI]

Eta, you said:

If you read MO's Rogatory Letter testimony you will get a sense of the difficulty the Portuguese interpreter faced when listening to this man.]

Well, after reading all their rogatory interviews, I think the majority of people would have difficulty listening to or understanding them! And thats in their own language

 

No I didn't. Try reading the post properly, before jumping down my throat!

[Redblossom]

No I didn't. Try reading the post properly, before jumping down my throat!

A) I wasnt jumping down your throat, tetchy
B) I read and totally understood your post
C) I was being sardonic in generql about the rogatory interviews and the shambolic answers given

 

[AnneGuedes]

I agree, if he had time to plan. If Gerry was the man Martin Smith saw then his actions must have been borne of panic and not logical thought. 

I'm not categorically saying that Gerry was the carrier the Smiths saw, I'm saying, within the timeline presented, it is a possibility.

I agree with this. Many elements contradict categorically (imo) the idea of staging with ou without the agreement implicit or explicit of some members of the group.
Doctors imperatively must be able to react pragmatically. Panic and clinic are antinomic.

[AnneGuedes]

That time would make sense though in so far as it will have been around half an hour after Gerrys return from previous check but make not the same sense going just 10 minutes after Oldfields return from 9.30 check, considering they said they checked every half hour

Mr Oldfield's checking inside is doubtful (isn't on the first timeline and he described his bedroom instead of the McCanns' one), he went inside of his flat and would likely have heard noise coming from the McCann children bedroom (common wall).
This would explain why Mrs McCann went to do her check earlier than half an hour later. It would explain also why she wasn't asked to listen to the Oldfield baby nor accompanied by Mr or Mrs Oldfield.

[Redblossom]

Mr Oldfield's checking inside is doubtful (isn't on the first timeline and he described his bedroom instead of the McCanns' one), he went inside of his flat and would likely have heard noise coming from the McCann children bedroom (common wall).
This would explain why Mrs McCann went to do her check earlier than half an hour later. It would explain also why she wasn't asked to listen to the Oldfield baby nor accompanied by Mr or Mrs Oldfield.

I agree with most of that, there are serious problems with MOs alledged check inmore ways than one

[Benice]

Sorry but I can't make head nor tail of your reasoning here Stephen.   What exactly are you saying the Tapas 7 agreed to do and why?

If, as you think, Madeleine died in the apartment,  then the rest of the group would have no more responsibility for that -  than any other holidaymakers on that complex.  They wouldn't need to do thing.

It can't be that they didn't want the police to know about their childcare arrangements -  because that's the first thing they told the police.    In fact they even wrote the details down and handed it to them.   

So if it wasn't that - then what was their reason for agreeing to put themselves at risk of being jailed for perjury, perverting the course of justice, and aiding and abetting the disposal of a child's body?  You must have a reason Stephen.

And where does Mrs. Webster come into all this?  She had no-one to be responsible for except herself - so why would she agree to take part in a heinous crime, and risk ending up in a jail in a foreign country in her 60's, where she didn't speak the language - and with her husband thousands of miles away in the UK.  She hardly knew the McCanns.      And do you really think her daughter would allow her own mother - a grandmother,  to put herself in such terrible danger? 

Anyone who believes that is living in cloud cuckoo land IMO.


 

[Mrs. B]

Sorry but I can't make head nor tail of your reasoning here Stephen.   What exactly are you saying the Tapas 7 agreed to do and why?

If, as you think, Madeleine died in the apartment,  then the rest of the group would have no more responsiblity for that -  than any other holidaymakers on that complex.  They wouldn't need to do thing.

It can't be that they didn't want the police to know about their childcare arrangements -  because that's the first thing they told the police.    In fact they even wrote the details down and handed it to them.   

So if it wasn't that - then what was their reason for agreeing to put themselves at risk of being jailed for perjury, perverting the course of justice, and aiding and abetting the disposal of a child's body?  You must have a reason Stephen.

And where does Mrs. Webster come into all this?  She had no-one to be responsible for except herself - so why would she agree to take part in a heinous crime, and risk ending up in a jail in a foreign country in her 60's, where she didn't speak the language - and with her husband thousands of miles away in the UK.  She hardly knew the McCanns.      And do you really think her daughter would allow her own mother - a grandmother,  to put herself in such terrible danger? 

Anyone who believes that is living in cloud cuckoo land IMO.

Only people I've heard of who make a conscientious effort to remain mis-informed.

[faithlilly]

Until we know why events happened that night we can't know for sure how deeply, if at all, individuals were involved.

[stephen25000]

Sorry but I can't make head nor tail of your reasoning here Stephen.   What exactly are you saying the Tapas 7 agreed to do and why?

If, as you think, Madeleine died in the apartment,  then the rest of the group would have no more responsiblity for that -  than any other holidaymakers on that complex.  They wouldn't need to do thing.

It can't be that they didn't want the police to know about their childcare arrangements -  because that's the first thing they told the police.    In fact they even wrote the details down and handed it to them.   

So if it wasn't that - then what was their reason for agreeing to put themselves at risk of being jailed for perjury, perverting the course of justice, and aiding and abetting the disposal of a child's body?  You must have a reason Stephen.

And where does Mrs. Webster come into all this?  She had no-one to be responsible for except herself - so why would she agree to take part in a heinous crime, and risk ending up in a jail in a foreign country in her 60's, where she didn't speak the language - and with her husband thousands of miles away in the UK.  She hardly knew the McCanns.      And do you really think her daughter would allow her own mother - a grandmother,  to put herself in such terrible danger? 

Anyone who believes that is living in cloud cuckoo land IMO.

The only persons clearly living in cloud cuckoo land as those who continue to support the unsupportable.

Cover ups exist for a variety of reasons, whether you accept my view is irrelevant.

Now about the CRB check, for parents found guilty of neglect, would they be allowed to work with children in the UK ?

[Benice]

The only persons clearly living in cloud cuckoo land as those who continue to support the unsupportable.

Cover ups exist for a variety of reasons, whether you accept my view is irrelevant.

Now about the CRB check, for parents found guilty of neglect, would they be allowed to work with children in the UK ?

Ignoring your attempt at a deflection which has no bearing on this case -  can you tell me the ''variety of reasons'' which you think the Tapas 7 had -  to make them come to probably the most  monumentally dangerous decision they'd ever made in their whole lives, and one which could ruin their own lives forever - including losing their own children  -  on behalf of two people  - who some of them hardly knew?

Where's your common sense Stephen?

[AnneGuedes]

Until we know why events happened that night we can't know for sure how deeply, if at all, individuals were involved.

Absolutely. Only when and if someone confesses one day, will justice be able to determine, with the involved person(s), the truth or the closest to it.

[sadie]

Absolutely. Only when and if someone confesses one day, will justice be able to determine, with the involved person(s), the truth or the closest to it.

Just wait and see.  Might not be long now.

[Lace]

Faithfully,

How can the person the Smiths saw be Gerry McCann?

The Smiths saw the man at about 10/five past 10.

Gerry McCann was in the Tapas Bar when Kate alerted to Madeleine's disappearance.

[Redblossom]

Faithfully,

How can the person the Smiths saw be Gerry McCann?

The Smiths saw the man at about 10/five past 10.

Gerry McCann was in the Tapas Bar when Kate alerted to Madeleine's disappearance.

its not impossible but improbable thats all