So what are the various scenarios available to us?

[Benice]

Are you really saying intelligent people don't commit crimes ?

Pull the other one.

and what's this crap about psychopaths ?

Essentially you cannot answer my questions.

What questions?  The Portuguese AG stated that there was no evidence of any crime commited by the McCanns or their friends.  Part of that conclusion was because of the perfectly normal behaviour exhibited by the McCanns before Madeleine's disappearance was discovered.   Scotland Yard believe Madeleine was a victim of stranger abduction and have not even hinted at anything else.    They have the professionally translated files,  the experience and the expertise - so why do you think you know better?

I notice that after several requests, you still avoid giving YOUR theory on how or why this crime was committed by this group of people.  Why is that?

Amongst other traits, Psychopaths have no empathy and no conscience.  For the McCanns and their friends to have been able to sit down and enjoy a meal, and chat away and joke amongst themselves, when they knew Madeleine had died  that night - and knowing the massive furore that was about to break loose involving them with the Police at 10.00p.m.  - then they would all have to be completely devoid of empathy or conscience,  - as normal people would simply not be able to do that.   

The idea of NINE of them all being psychopaths (or sociopaths which is the modern word for it) is plainly ludicrous.  Where's your common sense Stephen?

[Dog The Bounty Hunter]

Bottom line.

No proof of an abduction.

hey dude

I cannot understand your logic here as there is lots of evidence which supports the abduction claim and little of anything which points to the parents being involved in any sinister deed.  Is it a case of the needle being stuck with you mate??

[Angelo222]

Didn't he make a rehearsal the night before ? Without passing through the window or closing everything behind him, Shutterman..

We will never know that for sure Anne but it is a distinct possibility all the same.

[Jazzy]

I think it is Bounty Hunter, I'm sat reading stuff that has been under discussion for the past 6 years and it's ultimately pointless.

There is a new investigation, hints at new evidence, new persons of interest. That might be worth discussing when details are revealed. This far, there really is nothing new.

[Angelo222]

That's a simple,  but very good,  question

Originally the cots were in the other  bedroom  ( overlooking the pool and tapas bar area ),  but Kate and Gerry decided they wanted that one for themselves  ...  so moved the cots into the  other bedroom  (  that overlooked the car park  )

Could it be that this window being hidden from view and out of the way had been used before to effect an entry??   My own view is that the abductor didn't realise that the children were in that particular bedroom.  It is also very possible that the abductor didn't even have to enter the room as suggested by Heri in his video.

[Angelo222]

JT didn't say the man had shoulder length hair.  If she thought that she would have said so as 'shoulder length' is a common phrase which we would all use.    She was trying to emphasize that the man's hair was thick right down to where it ended at his neck as opposed to being layered into the nape of his neck.   

Strange that Benice as that isn't strictly true is it?

...by 11:30, 4 May, Jane gives another description, more detailed: a dark skinned man, 35-40yo, thin, 1,7m, dark, thick shoulder length hair, linen pants of beige or gold color, a "Duffy" type though not as thick, with classic black shoes: walking quickly and carrying a child laying across his two arms in front of his chest; by his dress, he didn't look like a tourist and didn't seem like a tourist because he was so bundled up ("encasacado"?). the child appeared to be sleeping, though she only saw the legs, the feet were bare and the pyjamas looked like cotton, a light color, maybe white or pink, with a design, perhaps, though she wasn't sure, perhaps with flowers.

[stephen25000]

What questions?  The Portuguese AG stated that there was no evidence of any crime commited by the McCanns or their friends.  Part of that conclusion was because of the perfectly normal behaviour exhibited by the McCanns before Madeleine's disappearance was discovered.   Scotland Yard believe Madeleine was a victim of stranger abduction and have not even hinted at anything else.    They have the professionally translated files,  the experience and the expertise - so why do you think you know better?

I notice that after several requests, you still avoid giving YOUR theory on how or why this crime was committed by this group of people.  Why is that?

Amongst other traits, Psychopaths have no empathy and no conscience.  For the McCanns and their friends to have been able to sit down and enjoy a meal, and chat away and joke amongst themselves, when they knew Madeleine had died  that night - and knowing the massive furore that was about to break loose involving them with the Police at 10.00p.m.  - then they would all have to be completely devoid of empathy or conscience,  - as normal people would simply not be able to do that.   

The idea of NINE of them all being psychopaths (or sociopaths which is the modern word for it) is plainly ludicrous.  Where's your common sense Stephen?

No trouble with common sense.

It's not me calling them psychopathic.

All I'm asking for is proof of abduction and you know damn well there is none.

As to the Mccanns behaving 'normally' after Madeleine's disappearance, pull the other one.

If you taken note in the past, either here on on amazon, I have already given my theory several times.

So do take note.

After all your hyperbole, what's left ?

Yup, no proof of abduction.

[Benice]

Strange that Benice as that isn't strictly true is it?

...by 11:30, 4 May, Jane gives another description, more detailed: a dark skinned man, 35-40yo, thin, 1,7m, dark, thick shoulder length hair, linen pants of beige or gold color, a "Duffy" type though not as thick, with classic black shoes: walking quickly and carrying a child laying across his two arms in front of his chest; by his dress, he didn't look like a tourist and didn't seem like a tourist because he was so bundled up ("encasacado"?). the child appeared to be sleeping, though she only saw the legs, the feet were bare and the pyjamas looked like cotton, a light color, maybe white or pink, with a design, perhaps, though she wasn't sure, perhaps with flowers.

That is not a verbatim quote from JT.     It is a multi-translated summary by someone else.

In Kates book the description (as given by JT) of the man's hair is:-
 
''Thick, dark, slightly longer at back of neck' .

That does not denote 'shoulder length' hair to me.     

I presume that Kate would want the description of the abductor to be precise and accurate in a book that was going to be read by thousands - so that the readers would have the correct description in their minds.

[stephen25000]

That is not a verbatim quote from JT.     It is a multi-translated summary by someone else.

In Kates book the description (as given by JT) of the man's hair is:-
 
''Thick, dark, slightly longer at back of neck' .

That does not denote 'shoulder length' hair to me.     

I presume that Kate would want the description of the abductor to be precise and accurate in a book that was going to be read by thousands - so that the readers would have the correct description in their minds.

Again the made up abductor.

So which one is it this time ?

Mr. Spotty ?

[Redblossom]

Jane Tanner working with a police sketch artist, produced this:
Not in a month of Sundays can this be more fairly called short hair  than long hair, so where does that leave the alledged similarity to the Smithman? In the bin imo.It doesnt even match the slightly longer at the back of the neck! as most of it seems chin length, and lets not forget the actor used in their documentary Madeleine Was Here, a nice healthy bob there too! And that documentary was made alledgedly to get people to come forward,reconstructions are normally done using people as close as possible to witness statements
Rolly eyes

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2007/oct/26/imageofmadeleinesuspect

Eta by the way why did tanner never ever mention in any of her interviews what the hair length actually was?

[Angelo222]

No trouble with common sense.

It's not me calling them psychopathic.

All I'm asking for is proof of abduction and you know damn well there is none.

As to the Mccanns behaving 'normally' after Madeleine's disappearance, pull the other one.

If you taken note in the past, either here on on amazon, I have already given my theory several times.

So do take note.

After all your hyperbole, what's left ?

Yup, no proof of abduction.

So please elaborate for us Stephen.  How does one behave normally when your 3 yr old child is taken from her bed in a holiday apartment in a foreign country?

[Lace]

Again the made up abductor.

So which one is it this time ?

Mr. Spotty ?

Are you suggesting the witness who saw a man with spotty skin isn't telling the truth Stephen?

[Eleanor]

So, no other persons of interest then. And The CPS went to Portugal to get The McCanns arrested.  Or perhaps they went to Portugal to ask permission to arrest The McCanns.
Any minute now Britain will be issuing a European Arrest Warrant to have The McCanns extradited to Portugal because Portugal is so much better at obtaining confessions.

Sounds good to me.  Watch this space.

[Redblossom]

That is not a verbatim quote from JT.     It is a multi-translated summary by someone else.

What does multi- translated mean? The quote afaiaw is from GAs book and was translated by one person, Annaesse, perhaps one of your PT reading friends can compare the original portuguese with the translation. As I posted earlier JTs sketch shows more long than short hair, as does the mccanns own documentary

[Heriberto Janosch]

That is not a verbatim quote from JT.     It is a multi-translated summary by someone else.

In Kates book the description (as given by JT) of the man's hair is:-
 
''Thick, dark, slightly longer at back of neck' .

That does not denote 'shoulder length' hair to me.     

I presume that Kate would want the description of the abductor to be precise and accurate in a book that was going to be read by thousands - so that the readers would have the correct description in their minds.

Jane described the man in English and the interpreter, Filipa Silva, translated as "Cabelo muito escuro, espesso, curto mas longo até ao pescoço (só consegue identificar por trás)" ... Bolds are mine.

Heri.