So how did the abductor enter and leave the apartment?

[Carana]

Why did Amaral insist that the window had been cleaned the previous day?


- Why would a cleaner clean a window - which apparently had the shutter permanently down - in the middle of the week - as opposed to the turn-around day?


- The cleaner's statement makes no mention of it.

[Benice]

Why did Amaral insist that the window had been cleaned the previous day?


- Why would a cleaner clean a window - which apparently had the shutter permanently down - in the middle of the week - as opposed to the turn-around day?


- The cleaner's statement makes no mention of it.

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Exactly Carana  -  if Amaral thought it was important enough to claim the windows were cleaned the day before - then why is there no mention of that in the cleaner's statement.    You would expect   .. 'When did you last clean the windows?' would have been a vital question, as if the answer had been 'On the 2nd May'' then that would be proof that Kate's fingerprints must have been left there after that date.   

Without that information from the cleaner - Kate's prints could have been there from the first day they arrived when she and Gerry closed the window and shutters and didn't open them again.

IMO cleaning windows would not be part of the general daily cleaning duties, - that would be something they did on the turn-around days.

[Carana]

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Exactly Carana  -  if Amaral thought it was important enough to claim the windows were cleaned the day before - then why is there no mention of that in the cleaner's statement.    You would expect   .. 'When did you last clean the windows?' would have been a vital question, as if the answer had been 'On the 2nd May'' then that would be proof that Kate's fingerprints must have been left there after that date.   

Without that information from the cleaner - Kate's prints could have been there from the first day they arrived when she and Gerry closed the window and shutters and didn't open them again.

IMO cleaning windows would not be part of the general daily cleaning duties, - that would be something they did on the turn-around days.

I have no problem with the idea that Kate touched the window frame to poke her head outside to quickly check.

I have found nothing in the files to indicate that her prints were "in an opening" position - there's no position indicated in that report at all. I've no idea what led Amaral to state this as fact.

Why would anyone covering up a crime place their own fingerprints on a pane of glass as opposed to using the handle to open it?

[stephen25000]

I have no problem with the idea that Kate touched the window frame to poke her head outside to quickly check.

I have found nothing in the files to indicate that her prints were "in an opening" position - there's no position indicated in that report at all. I've no idea what led Amaral to state this as fact.

Why would anyone covering up a crime place their own fingerprints on a pane of glass as opposed to using the handle to open it?

Do you think people always behave logically in a situation such as this ?

[Albertini]

How did an abductor enter by the unlocked patio when the shutter was down on it?

[Chinagirl]

How did an abductor enter by the unlocked patio when the shutter was down on it?

From where do you get that?  As far as I know, there was no shutter on the sliding glass patio doors.

[Benice]

Do you think people always behave logically in a situation such as this ?

If it was all part of a cunning plan by people who regarded their dead daughter as an inconvenience to be disposed of like a bag of old rubbish  - then yes.

[stephen25000]

If it was all part of a cunning plan by people who regarded their dead daughter as an inconvenience to be disposed of like a bag of old rubbish  - then yes.

Is there one singular piece of evidence that can be regarded as proof of abduction ?

Perhaps you should research cases of  where people have tried to cover up crimes.

[Chinagirl]

Is there one singular piece of evidence that can be regarded as proof of abduction ?

Perhaps you should research cases of  where people have tried to cover up crimes.

That question and statement indicate just what an intellectual lightweight you are .......

[Albertini]

From where do you get that?  As far as I know, there was no shutter on the sliding glass patio doors.

From Rachel's statement on the 15th May 2007:

When they arrived at the restaurant at 20h45 the McCann couple were already there.
 
They were talking to a couple they knew from tennis, whose name she cannot remember. Jane was also there but she was not talking to them. The Payne family and Dianne arrived just after 21h00. Matthew bumped into them as he had gone to the apartment, but he did not enter, he just listened outside to see if there was any noise. He did the same at the Tanner and McCann apartments.
 
The window shutters of the McCann's apartment were closed. The patio door that they used to enter the apartment also had its shutter closed. In order to enter they had to raise the shutter.

There does indeed appear to be shutters on the patio doors. See here:



And here:

[stephen25000]

From Rachel's statement on the 15th May 2007:

There does indeed appear to be shutters on the patio doors. See here:



And here:

Good research.

[Carana]

From Rachel's statement on the 15th May 2007:

There does indeed appear to be shutters on the patio doors. See here:



And here:

I think there's a bit of lost in confusion in that statement.

 
The window shutters of the McCann's apartment were closed. The patio door that they used to enter the apartment also had its shutter closed. In order to enter they had to raise the shutter. There's a bit missing from the translation of that sentence as it adds "from the outside".

The patio sliding door did have a shutter, but how would they have opened them from the outside? I've never seen shutters like that with a mechanism for raising them from the outside... For that to be correct, they would have had to force it at every check and then somehow roll it down again. All of which would have made noise likely to wake the kids.

The confusion may be with the curtains being drawn.

[stephen25000]

I think there's a bit of lost in confusion in that statement.

 
The window shutters of the McCann's apartment were closed. The patio door that they used to enter the apartment also had its shutter closed. In order to enter they had to raise the shutter. There's a bit missing from the translation of that sentence as it adds "from the outside".

The patio sliding door did have a shutter, but how would they have opened them from the outside? I've never seen shutters like that with a mechanism for raising them from the outside... For that to be correct, they would have had to force it at every check and then somehow roll it down again. All of which would have made noise likely to wake the kids.

The confusion may be with the curtains being drawn.

The down side to that is the mccanns and their followers claim the children were sleeping heavily.

[Carana]

The down side to that is the mccanns and their followers claim the children were sleeping heavily.

The point of going back to make a quick check was to make sure they hadn't woken up. So why would they have chosen the noisiest (and the most complicated, if indeed possible) option when doing so?

It makes no sense to me whatsoever. I don't recall anyone of the other statements saying that the patio shutters were down.

[Albertini]

I think there's a bit of lost in confusion in that statement.

 
The window shutters of the McCann's apartment were closed. The patio door that they used to enter the apartment also had its shutter closed. In order to enter they had to raise the shutter. There's a bit missing from the translation of that sentence as it adds "from the outside".

The patio sliding door did have a shutter, but how would they have opened them from the outside? I've never seen shutters like that with a mechanism for raising them from the outside... For that to be correct, they would have had to force it at every check and then somehow roll it down again. All of which would have made noise likely to wake the kids.

The confusion may be with the curtains being drawn.

But according to Rachael the shutter was closed, irrespective of how it had to be opened. Agree?