Some speculating - What would you do if your 3-yr-old had a fatal accident while on holiday abroad?

[Admin]

This was the theory offered by the Portuguese police who undertook the initial investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.  It was their belief that Madeleine met some sort of an accident in her holiday apartment and for whatever reason the parents panicked and covered it up with a story of abduction.

There is no proof however that this ever occurred, it is purely a theory, a speculation.

[AnneGuedes]

Yes, we're all capable of it. But, and I'm not pretending that this is what happened, how many, realizing that the child fell from the balcony because the sliding window was open, i.e realizing they're at least guilty of lack of imagination, would deny the accident ?

[Benice]

Yes, we're all capable of it. But, and I'm not pretending that this is what happened, how many, realizing that the child fell from the balcony because the sliding window was open, i.e realizing they're at least guilty of lack of imagination, would deny the accident ?

If that sort of accident occurred why would the McCanns not react like any other parents and immediately ring the Emergency services?

[AnneGuedes]

If that sort of accident occurred why would the McCanns not react like any other parents and immediately ring the Emergency services?

Still speculating... It likely didn't happen this way but could have. When Mr McCann found her, she was already cold because a certain time had passed, the temperature was low (12°C) and it was windy (a data not taken into account in measuring temperature). He feared the consequences : the emergency service would notify discovery of death or emergency call was differed, authorities would question the child being alone on the balcony instead of in her bed and an autopsy would likely be required. In the UK any accidental death or suicide is the object of an inquiry and a hearing, but in Portugal  if the coroner states the manner of death without ambiguity in the certidão de óbito, it is usually accepted.
Doctors aren't exactly like you and me, if they can't be casual, they desist of clinics and become searchers. Madeleine was lost, there was nothing her father could do except for saving his family, his career, etc.

[Benice]

Still speculating... It likely didn't happen this way but could have. When Mr McCann found her, she was already cold because a certain time had passed, the temperature was low (12°C) and it was windy (a data not taken into account in measuring temperature). He feared the consequences : the emergency service would notify discovery of death or emergency call was differed, authorities would question the child being alone on the balcony instead of in her bed and an autopsy would likely be required. In the UK any accidental death or suicide is the object of an inquiry and a hearing, but in Portugal  if the coroner states the manner of death without ambiguity in the certidão de óbito, it is usually accepted.
Doctors aren't exactly like you and me, if they can't be casual, they desist of clinics and become searchers. Madeleine was lost, there was nothing her father could do except for saving his family, his career, etc.

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Poppycock Anne.  Doctors as parents are no different to any other parents.  The very idea that they put their careers before anything else in their lives  because they were doctors is ridiculous.    Madeleine was not born as the result of an accidental pregnancy, she was a long awaited adored child who was conceived via IVF - proof of how desperate her parents were to have her.   

The idea that they could turn into monsters at the drop of a hat and treat her as an inconvenient obstacle to their future careers is completely unbelievable to anyone with an ounce of common sense or who has any idea of how strong the love is that parents have for their children.

Your suggestion that if Madeleine died as a result of an accident then her parents would somehow know that a Portuguese coroner would approach the case more favourably to them than his British counterpart is truly ludicrous.

Sorry Anne your 'theory' is a non starter IMO.   It would never happen.

 

[AnneGuedes]

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Your suggestion that if Madeleine died as a result of an accident then her parents would somehow know that a Portuguese coroner would approach the case more favourably to them than his British counterpart is truly ludicrous.


 

Please, Benice, read what I wrote
1) I said "it likely didn't happened this way".
2) I didn't say a Portuguese coroner would approach the case more favourably. I see that in the UK a child found hanged by a belt tied to his bunk bed motives an inquiry of sometimes a year, a hearing and possibly a narrative verdict. In France, nothing of the kind, the death certificate states "suicide", in the best of cases with a ?, and that's all.
3) You asked me a question : why wouldn't they alert the emergency service if Madeleine had accidentally died. Didn't you ?
I suggested (it wasn't a theory) one thing is your child having an accident and dying in your arms, another to find the cold body of your child.
If you don't agree with this remark, please tell why.

[Chinagirl]

This is an appalling hypothesis - that a loving father who is also a medical professional would be tempted to conceal the accidental death of his beloved daughter out of fear for his reputation and future career.  That it has been proposed by someone with claims to intelligence and education is shocking - it belongs to one of the wilder idiotic hate sites, not in a forum with pretensions to serious discussion of this case.

There is not a scintilla of evidence or indication that Madeleine died from any kind of accident, or by design, in the apartment, despite Amaral's unsubstantiated theories of this nature.

In the highly improbable event that such a thing happened, why on earth would her father wish to conceal it?  Doing so would be infinitely more damaging to his medical career when found out than reporting it, no matter where in the world he was when the accident occurred.

Speculations of this nature do nothing to enhance discussions of this case, and are damaging to the credibility of this forum, as well as to members who propose such repugnant nonsense.

[stephen25000]

This is an appalling hypothesis - that a loving father who is also a medical professional would be tempted to conceal the accidental death of his beloved daughter out of fear for his reputation and future career.  That it has been proposed by someone with claims to intelligence and education is shocking - it belongs to one of the wilder idiotic hate sites, not in a forum with pretensions to serious discussion of this case.

There is not a scintilla of evidence or indication that Madeleine died from any kind of accident, or by design, in the apartment, despite Amaral's unsubstantiated theories of this nature.

In the highly improbable event that such a thing happened, why on earth would her father wish to conceal it?  Doing so would be infinitely more damaging to his medical career when found out than reporting it, no matter where in the world he was when the accident occurred.

Speculations of this nature do nothing to enhance discussions of this case, and are damaging to the credibility of this forum, as well as to members who propose such repugnant nonsense.

What medical career would the Mccanns have had if Madeleine had died of an accident in the apartment, whilst they left her unattended ?

I'm sure you're aware of the CRB check in this country, and on the basis of neglect, and that's what it was, they would never be allowed to work with children  or vulnerable adults again.

As to 'normal' people not 'covering up', don't you watch the news. Self protection is a very strong motive, so don't kid yourself.

[Chinagirl]

Nonsense.  Whether she died from an accident or was abducted (which is in fact what happened), no neglect was or ever will be attributed to her parents.  UK authorities confirmed this to the McCanns way back in 2007.

Gerry McCann is still practising as a consultant cardiologist, and there are no restrictions on who his patients are.

[stephen25000]

Nonsense.  Whether she died from an accident or was abducted (which is in fact what happened), no neglect was or ever will be attributed to her parents.  UK authorities confirmed this to the McCanns way back in 2007.

Gerry McCann is still practising as a consultant cardiologist, and there are no restrictions on who his patients are.

Rubbish.

If Madeleine had been found dead as a result of an accident, whilst they left her unprotected along with her siblings, whilst out drinking and eating, and leaving them in an unlocked apartment  job over.

With the CRB check, they would never be allowed to work with children again.

[Chinagirl]

So you are suggesting that an accident is worse than an abduction?  Six of one and half-a-dozen of the other, in my book!

[Albertini]

This is an appalling hypothesis - that a loving father who is also a medical professional would be tempted to conceal the accidental death of his beloved daughter out of fear for his reputation and future career.  That it has been proposed by someone with claims to intelligence and education is shocking - it belongs to one of the wilder idiotic hate sites, not in a forum with pretensions to serious discussion of this case.

There is not a scintilla of evidence or indication that Madeleine died from any kind of accident, or by design, in the apartment, despite Amaral's unsubstantiated theories of this nature.

In the highly improbable event that such a thing happened, why on earth would her father wish to conceal it?  Doing so would be infinitely more damaging to his medical career when found out than reporting it, no matter where in the world he was when the accident occurred.

Speculations of this nature do nothing to enhance discussions of this case, and are damaging to the credibility of this forum, as well as to members who propose such repugnant nonsense.

Oh do come off it with faux outrage. That was the hypotheis put forward by the official PJ investigation both under Amaral's watch AND under Rebelo's command.

The fact that Menezes chose to interpret the facts differently is a matter for him but the theory put forward by Amaral (and Rebelo) was validated as one of equal merit given the facts of the case according to the Judges in the book case.

You may believe it is an appalling theory but that does not change the fact it was a valid interpretation of the facts gathered according to a Court.

To suggest that a Court validated official PJ theory, backed by two different lead investigators / co-ordinaters in this case, damages the credibility of a forum discussing the case is quite frankly preposterous and condasceding to the extreme.

To suggest it doesn't belong here implies you simply want this forum to be like all the others, either for or against the McCann's with no debate from both sides.

There are plenty of forums like that already.

How you believe the prevention of debating both sides "enhances discussions about the case" i have no idea.

You seem to want a closed talking shop where everyone can agree how wonderful the McCann's are and how beastly Amaral is.

If that is indeed how the owners and moderators feel they want this forum to go that is fine, i will leave and not post again on here.

However if the owners and moderators want a proper discussion forum, where issues can be debated back and forth you should expect to hear posts which outline the theory put forward by the official investigation.

[stephen25000]

Oh do come off it with faux outrage. That was the hypotheis put forward by the official PJ investigation both under Amaral's watch AND under Rebelo's command.

The fact that Menezes chose to interpret the facts differently is a matter for him but the theory put forward by Amaral (and Rebelo) was validated as one of equal merit given the facts of the case according to the Judges in the book case.

You may believe it is an appalling theory but that does not change the fact it was a valid interpretation of the facts gathered according to a Court.

To suggest that a Court validated offical PJ theory, backed by two different lead investigators / co-ordinaters in this case, damages the credibility of a forum discussing the case is quite frankly preposterous and condasceding to the extreme.

To suggest it doesn't belong here implies you simply want this forum to be like all the others, either for or against the McCann's with no debate from both sides.

There are plenty of forums like that already.

How you believe the prevention of debating both sides "enhances discussions about the case" i have no idea.

You seem to want a closed talking shop where everyone can agree how wonderful the McCann's are and how beastly Amaral is.

If that is indeed how the owners and moderators feel they want this forum to go that is fine, i will leave and not post again on here.

However if the owners and moderators want a proper discussion forum, where issues can be debated back and forth you should expect to hear posts which outline the theory put forward by the official investigation.

Well put Albertini.

[stephen25000]

So you are suggesting that an accident is worse than an abduction?  Six of one and half-a-dozen of the other, in my book!

No, I'm not.

Try to understand, that by leaving their children in the way they did, they failed as parents and guardians in their legal responsibilities.

If they had done what they did in the UK it would be counted as neglect.

[Benice]

Oh do come off it with faux outrage. That was the hypotheis put forward by the official PJ investigation both under Amaral's watch AND under Rebelo's command.

The fact that Menezes chose to interpret the facts differently is a matter for him but the theory put forward by Amaral (and Rebelo) was validated as one of equal merit given the facts of the case according to the Judges in the book case.

You may believe it is an appalling theory but that does not change the fact it was a valid interpretation of the facts gathered according to a Court.

To suggest that a Court validated official PJ theory, backed by two different lead investigators / co-ordinaters in this case, damages the credibility of a forum discussing the case is quite frankly preposterous and condasceding to the extreme.

To suggest it doesn't belong here implies you simply want this forum to be like all the others, either for or against the McCann's with no debate from both sides.

There are plenty of forums like that already.

How you believe the prevention of debating both sides "enhances discussions about the case" i have no idea.

You seem to want a closed talking shop where everyone can agree how wonderful the McCann's are and how beastly Amaral is.

If that is indeed how the owners and moderators feel they want this forum to go that is fine, i will leave and not post again on here.

However if the owners and moderators want a proper discussion forum, where issues can be debated back and forth you should expect to hear posts which outline the theory put forward by the official investigation.

If any of the  'facts gathered' were 'valid' the McCanns would have been arrested and charged.  There was no evidence whatsoever to support this 'theory'.   And the AG's Final report very clearly overruled the flawed Interim report.

If you agree with the 'accident' theory - then feel free to tell us how it was done.