Should we have faith in SY given the wrongful conviction of Barry George?

[stephen25000]

Wrong again Stephen...you are very good at that at least. I have never tried to convince anyone that George is guilty...just pointing out the truth...he has not been declared innocent and according to the judge there was sufficient evidence to find him guilty....au contraire....you continually try to convince people that he is innocent. He may well be ...we don't really know.

So there is ...according to the judge....enough evidence to convict George of this crime. He has also been convicted and jailed for several sexual assaults...both these statements are factual..

George's conviction was quashed in this case, NO DOUBT OF THAT.

He was the fall guy.

Why don't you refer to the other witnesses in the George case whose testimony was ignored by the Police, including several members of the current team.

and you do know what Jill Dando was working on at the time of her death, DON'T YOU?

[Alice Purjorick]

I thought it was claimed that people are declared 'not guilty', rather than innocent.

Beat me to it!

[Mr Gray]

Beat me to it!

That's the point I have been making for the past 12 months...at last someone has understood..so George has not been declared innocent

[Alice Purjorick]

That's the point I have been making for the past 12 months...at last someone has understood..so George has not been declared innocent

As I pointed out on here what now seems eons ago:
In strict terms guilty and innocent are absolutes. Either you are or you aren't.
Then we have the law which deals only in guilt. One may only be found guilty or not guilty at law. Not guilty does not equal innocent in strict terms. An unsafe conviction is just that.
I do however find it odd that Barry George was denied compensation on the grounds supposedly stated.

[stephen25000]

That's the point I have been making for the past 12 months...at last someone has understood..so George has not been declared innocent

His conviction was quashed Dave.

What part don't you get ?

He didn't murder Jill Dando.

She was assassinated.

[Mr Gray]

As I pointed out on here what now seems eons ago:
In strict terms guilty and innocent are absolutes. Either you are or you aren't.
Then we have the law which deals only in guilt. One may only be found guilty or not guilty at law. Not guilty does not equal innocent in strict terms. An unsafe conviction is just that.
I do however find it odd that Barry George was denied compensation on the grounds supposedly stated.

the law does not deal in absolutes...guilty or not guilty beyond reasonable doubt based on the evidence..

OJ was found both guilty and not guilty...that should be easy for posters to understand

[Mr Gray]

the interesting point about George is that despite two trials, he was not able to "demonstrate his innocence"...yet the archiving report and posters here thought that by simply taking part in a reconstruction the McCanns could prove their innocence...how stupid is that.

[stephen25000]

the interesting point about George is that despite two trials, he was not able to "demonstrate his innocence"...yet the archiving report and posters here thought that by simply taking part in a reconstruction the McCanns could prove their innocence...how stupid is that.

Again a stupid post.

His conviction was quashed.

He was charged as a result of incompetent police woirk, and as we know, some of the same team are involved in the current investigation.

ENOUGH SAID.

[Mr Gray]

Again a stupid post.

His conviction was quashed.

He was charged as a result of incompetent police woirk, and as we know, some of the same team are involved in the current investigation.

ENOUGH SAID.

You seem unable to follow the discussion...his conviction was overturned but that does not make him innocent....just as his original conviction did not make him guilty(in an absolute sense)

[Alice Purjorick]

the law does not deal in absolutes...guilty or not guilty beyond reasonable doubt based on the evidence..

OJ was found both guilty and not guilty...that should be easy for posters to understand

I don't believe I have ever said otherwise 

[stephen25000]

You seem unable to follow the discussion...his conviction was overturned but that does not make him innocent....just as his original conviction did not make him guilty(in an absolute sense)

His conviction was overturned, he is no longer serving a sentence for a crime committed by an assassin.

What part don't you get ?

[Alfred R Jones]

His conviction was overturned, he is no longer serving a sentence for a crime committed by an assassin.

What part don't you get ?

What do you think of people who continue to assert publicly that George definitely dunnit despite the sentence having been overturned? 

[Lyall]

What do you think of people who continue to assert publicly that George definitely dunnit despite the sentence having been overturned?

Is there anyone saying that?

In actual fact almost all observers of the first trial expected a not guilty verdict.

[John]

'Jill Dando was shot dead by olive-skinned assassin but police ignored my evidence', says grandfather who saw Crimewatch presenter moments before doorstep murder.

A grandfather who saw Jill Dando moments before she was shot dead claims police ignored his evidence about the murder.

Barry Lindsey said Miss Dando, 37, was confronted by her 'Mediterranean' killer on her doorstep in 1999 seconds before she was killed.

Mr Lindsey, now 61, told detectives to search for an olive-skinned man - but he claims they were only interested in evidence linking Barry George to the murder.



Released: Barry George wrongly served eight years in prison for the murder of Jill Dando before he was acquitted
at a retrial. An eyewitness told police that Miss Dando's killer was in fact a man of Mediterranean appearance

Mr George served eight years behind bars for the killing before being acquitted after a retrial in 2008.

The 53-year-old was recently denied up to £500,000 compensation for being wrongly jailed after the Court of Appeal agreed with a minister that Mr George was 'not innocent enough' to be eligible for a pay-off.

Eyewitness Mr Lindsey told police in the days after the murder on April 26, 1999, that Mr George was not the man responsible for the murder outside the Crimewatch presenter's home in Fulham, west London.

'I told officers they needed to find a man with olive skin, dark hair and who looked like he was of Mediterranean origin,' he told the Sunday Mirror.

'But straight off, they said "We are looking at a local guy over this murder. He is called Barry George." They asked if I knew him and described what he looked like.'

He added that when he told police that Mr George was definitely not the man responsible they 'didn't want to listen any more'.

Read full story here...

[Anna]

Very interesting thread about SY in the dando case. It does look a pretty unsafe conviction to start with, but it is difficult to tell how worthy the witness was who IIRC was looking out of the window when he heard a noise that sounded like an excited greeting, but couldn't see the victim.
 I wonder how far away he was from the front door, if he couldn't hear a gunshot?
 A gunpowder speck found in a pocket and a fibre, I believe was the total of evidence, for convicting him, except for his obsessions.
 There was also talk of corruption in SY and higher at the time, that I have read about, very recently.

Was this the same corruption that Jill Dando was investigating, before she died?

This is very unlikely however, to have any relevance to how the investigation into Maddie, was conducted more 10? years later.
Who can we trust if not our own police forces?