Author Topic: Should we have faith in SY given the wrongful conviction of Barry George?  (Read 40820 times)

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Offline Carana

Well if SY were knocking on his door they would have a harder task convicting him without the child than with the child, wouldn't they?

And really, given the case do you think an abductor would be worried about the length of sentence he'd get between this kidnapping and murder? There will be no difference other than being caught without the evidence gives you more of a chance than being caught with the evidence.

It's common sense!

The simple answer is "yes" he has endangered her life if she is still alive.

it was the tabloids that said that they were about to "swoop", which I find irresponsible. They've identified 38 or so people who they'd like to question... they may all be innocent, but simply need to be eliminated.


Offline Carana

Oh and in reply to the question posed in the thread i would suggest this is the best answer for the majority of this forum:

"Yes we should have faith whilstever the Yard are pursuing an abduction, but that faith will mysteriously vanish to be replaced with contempt and cries of no faith if the Yard come back to investigate the parents or their friends!"

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What on earth makes you think that they haven't already got every bit of information possible about the T9? It really would be dim if they hadn't, wouldn't it?

At the same time, they would be negligent if they hadn't also been checking on potential paedos who could strike again.

Wouldn't that suggest a multi-pronged approach?

Offline Benice

What on earth makes you think that they haven't already got every bit of information possible about the T9? It really would be dim if they hadn't, wouldn't it? At the same time, they would be negligent if they hadn't also been checking on potential paedos who could strike again.

Wouldn't that suggest a multi-pronged approach?

I've no doubt SY know everything there is to know about the T9.  That would have been their first task.

Also everything the McCanns have done in the last 6 years is the complete opposite of how guilty people would behave.  You would have to be totally incapable of even an iota of common sense and logical thought to deny that.


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Albertini

I've no doubt SY know everything there is to know about the T9.  That would have been their first task.

Also everything the McCanns have done in the last 6 years is the complete opposite of how guilty people would behave.  You would have to be totally incapable of even an iota of common sense and logical thought to deny that.

In order to convey innocence the guilty should act in a way that they should not be expected to act.

Offline Benice

In order to convey innocence the guilty should act in a way that they should not be expected to act.

Do you really think that any normal person, let alone two of them - could keep up such a public 'pretence' for 6 years - when everything you said in public had to carefully practised first because it was a lie - and you had to spend a massive part of your life doing things -which had no purpose at all because none of it was based on the truth.   Where you had to watch every word you said every minute of every day, and organise events and attend events which were actually meaningless to you,  but which you were forced to do -  to keep up the pretence.     

What sort of life would that be?  It wouldn't be one worth living IMO.   For a start the constant pressure alone would be unbearable.

If the McCanns were guilty they would have come home thanking their lucky stars that they had got away with it and kept their heads down until it had all died away from the public's mind -  and we would not be here discussing them now. 

Guilty people do not spend years of their lives keeping their 'crime' as high as possible in the public's mind or pleading for their case to be reviewed and re-examined by one of the best police forces in the world.    As someone else said - that would be like turkeys voting for Christmas.   

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Redblossom

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Benice, you make a good point and THIS is the ONLY potentially convincing IMO argument that they were not involved.

But they couldnt keep their head down could they? When the story was in the papers every single day for years. It has never gone from the public mind.

And you dont know their personal pyschologies, do you? What goes on. I bet you may act for the cameras if you had not told the truth and if  it kept you out of jail, maintained your family life, avoiding a massive tsunami of public wrath, andnesting the millions. Hmm??
« Last Edit: July 23, 2013, 09:53:44 AM by Redblossom »

Redblossom

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Going back to the OP, the SY if anything are tenacious, lets hope it wont take that long to solve this case

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10194318/PC-Keith-Blakelock-murder-new-charge-after-28-years.html

Scotland Yard will bring murder charges over the killing of PC Keith Blakelock during the Broadwater Farm riots in the next few days, it has been confirmed.

Pc Keith Blakelock was attacked during the Broadwater Farm riots in 1985 (PA)
By Ben Bryant, and David Barrett7:00AM BST 22 Jul 2013
A man who was under 18 at the time of the Broadwater Farm riots in 1985 will be prosecuted over his involvement in one of Britain’s most notorious unsolved murders.
Metropolitan Police disclosed to the Telegraph last year that after reviewing the evidence against the man, two QCs agreed there is a realistic prospect of conviction – the hurdle which investigators must clear in order to win the backing of the Crown Prosecution Service.
This week the police confirmed that five men aged between 40 and 51 who were arrested in 2010 have been re-bailed to an unspecified date in July.
The development follows a new inquiry into PC Blakelock's death. A three-year review, which started in 2000, uncovered leads and resulted in a new investigation in 2003.
The reinvestigation cost taxpayers millions of pounds and spanned 13 years.

More than 6,000 statements were examined and cutting edge DNA techniques were used to scrutinise evidence, the Daily Mail reported.
Police also compiled video of the scene using police and press photographs taken on the night.
Winston Silcott and two other men were jailed for the crime in 1987 but later had their convictions quashed on the grounds they were considered unsafe.
Detectives are understood to have had their confidence buoyed by the conviction in January of Gary Dobson and David Norris for the racist murder of Stephen Lawrence.
The officers believe that if such a long standing and legally complex case can be resolved then justice can also finally be secured for Pc Blakelock.
Pc Blakelock, 40, was attacked as he tried to protect firefighters who were tackling a supermarket blaze at the height of the riot on October 6, 1985.
After stumbling, the father of three was surrounded by a mob screaming “Kill the pig”.
He was stabbed dozens of times and the machete-wielding killers then tried to decapitate him. A later trial heard the mob intended to parade the constable’s head on a pole to taunt other officers.
Winston Silcott, Mark Braithwaite and Engin Raghip were convicted in March 1987 of Pc Blakelock’s murder but all three convictions were quashed four and a half years later, after forensic tests on pages of key interview records suggested they had been fabricated.
Silcott accepted £50,000 compensation from the Home Office but remained in prison for an unrelated murder and was released in 2003. None of the three men originally convicted is the suspect in the new case.
It was revealed on the 25th anniversary of his murder, in October 2010, that 10 men had been arrested in London and Suffolk for questioning over the crime.
All were aged in their 40s or 50s and had lived in the Tottenham area at the time of the riot.
New forensic tests were carried out on Pc Blakelock’s flame-retardant overalls, which for years had been on show to criminologists and trainee police officers at Scotland Yard’s “Black Museum”.
The garment and more than a dozen murder weapons – several machetes and a kitchen knife found embedded up to the hilt in the constable’s neck – were analysed using updated DNA techniques for the first time.
Glen Smyth, former chairman of the Metropolitan Police Federation, welcomed the decision to put a new suspect on trial.
He told the Daily Mail: "The brutal murder of Keith Blakelock shocked the Met to its core.
"The attack on him was motivated by evil and hatred, and committed by people who have no regard for human life."
Pc Blakelock’s widow Elizabeth said at the time of the October 2010 arrests: “I desperately hope this leads to something. It will bring the closure that we have never been able to get.
“There’s never, ever been a day goes past when I do not think of Keith and this has been hanging over us every day for the past 25 years.”
 




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Offline Benice

Benice, you make a good point and THIS is the ONLY potentially convincing IMO argument that they were not involved.

But they couldnt keep their head down could they? When the story was in the papers every single day for years. It has never gone from the public mind.

And you dont know their personal pyschologies, do you? What goes on. I bet you may act for the cameras if you had not told the truth and if  it kept you out of jail, maintained your family life, avoiding a massive tsunami of public wrath, andnesting the millions. Hmm??

The media attention only carried on because the McCanns chose to stay in the public eye in order to keep Madeleine's profile high    If they had come home and done nothing - eventually there would have been nothing for the press to write about.

I don't believe that the professional highly experienced trauma counsellors like Alan Pike who IIRC kept in close contact with them even after they came home would have been taken in by them if they were putting on an act.

There isn't a scrap of evidence that 'financially' speaking their lifestyle has drastically changed for the better in the last six years.  Their income from Gerry's job is quite considerable and they can live a very comfortable life on that and they have Kate's earnings potential, if she decides to go back to work.     If they were the kind of people who were that  'mad for money', then IMO they would not have had children in the first place.

 

 

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Redblossom

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I didnt say there was! The money would be a sideline, the main serious  issues are what I raised in my previous post, which you did not address. End of the day you have no idea what happened so cannot rule out the possibilities.

AnneGuedes

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If she had been your daughter/niece/grandchild, what would you have proposed to ask concerned citizens to be attentive to in order to distinguish her from every other little blonde 3-year-old?
Ludicrous ! Her own mother said you had to be very close to notice the eye defect, because Madeleine had no clear eyes.

AnneGuedes

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The media attention only carried on because the McCanns chose to stay in the public eye in order to keep Madeleine's profile high   
Let's start from the very beginning. Do you have a link for that statement ? A audio statement if possible ?

Offline Mr Gray

Those who believe the abduction scenario have everything invested in Andy Redwood's recent words.

I asked a question the other day which never received an answer.

If Redwood comes back to us and says that all the 38 persons of interest have been checked out and cleared and if he says there is no evidence that the Yard can find to support abduction or an abductor, then will the McCann supporters be happy for Redwood to go back and look at the group?

Do you have any evidence that Redwood has not already looked at the group?

Offline Albertini

Do you have any evidence that Redwood has not already looked at the group?

Nope, but i am not the one saying the yard have DEFINITELY cleared them.

I am saying there is no evidence to support that assertion.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2013, 05:18:25 PM by Albertini »

Redblossom

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Nope, but i am not the one saying the yard have DEFINITELY cleared them.

I am saying there is no evidence to support that assertion.

The yard has not cleared anyone
The yard has never stated madeleine was a victim of a stranger abduction

These are just interpretations and wishful thinking of what redwood has actually said


Offline Benice

The yard has not cleared anyone
The yard has never stated madeleine was a victim of a stranger abduction

These are just interpretations and wishful thinking of what redwood has actually said

Quote from DCI Redwood.

Neither her parents or any of the members of the group who were with her are either persons of interest or suspects.

Red - What could possibly be clearer than that?






The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal