Why did Amaral and PJ suspect the McCanns and Murat as being somehow involved?

[Benice]

According to his book it was Amaral himself who first instigated enquiries into Murat..

Quote from his book Chapter 7

Instead of taking the exit road for Portimao, I continue my journey on the motorway. I need to reconstruct the individual's path. If he had planned his crime, he probably wouldn't have taken this direction. And if, on the other hand, he hadn't planned it? I need to work it out for myself. In Vilada Luz, I park my car below the apartment blocks. Journalists are on the lookout around the apartment; fortunately, they don't see me. I walk the same route that the stranger must have taken. I arrive in front of a house with a neglected garden. Inside, there are two parked cars, whose registration numbers I note down. I communicate the numbers to the police in Portimao and wait there for the result of the check. After a few minutes, a green vehicle, driven by an individual wearing glasses, stops in front of the entrance to the house. The driver goes in quickly. His face is familiar to me but I don't know who he is. I notice a child's seat inside the car. The man comes back out a little later, supporting an elderly lady whom he accompanies towards the area of the swimming pools and the Tapas restaurant. They cross a park where a few buildings have been erected. Madeleine's parents took this route to take their children to the play centre, near the main reception area of the hotel complex. Since the start of the investigation , a team has been permanently on the premises and an apartment has been placed at their disposal. I am about to make enquiries of the police officer on duty when the individual comes back from his walk and greets him as he passes.

- You know that man?

- Yes, he presented himself to the GNR on Friday morning and offered his services as an interpreter. He is of English origin but speaks good Portuguese. He's called Robert Murat.

As the law demands, all foreign people interviewed by the police must have the benefit of an interpreter. In this investigation, the considerable number of interviews we had to conduct in record time forced us to call on the services of volunteers.

- And this guy, you checked him out? No criminal record or trouble with the law?

- No, no, it's all OK, but I didn't know he lived here. It's true that his house is on the route taken by the abductor.

- Stay here, carry on being friendly with him; I'm going to Portimao to see what we've got on him: we've got to find out more about this guy.

I immediately telephone the team to alert them. The Director of the Department of Criminal Investigation in Faro has to be involved in a meeting the same morning, where we will discuss the case of Robert Murat.
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[stephen25000]

According to his book it was Amaral himself who first instigated enquiries into Murat..

Quote from his book Chapter 7

Instead of taking the exit road for Portimao, I continue my journey on the motorway. I need to reconstruct the individual's path. If he had planned his crime, he probably wouldn't have taken this direction. And if, on the other hand, he hadn't planned it? I need to work it out for myself. In Vilada Luz, I park my car below the apartment blocks. Journalists are on the lookout around the apartment; fortunately, they don't see me. I walk the same route that the stranger must have taken. I arrive in front of a house with a neglected garden. Inside, there are two parked cars, whose registration numbers I note down. I communicate the numbers to the police in Portimao and wait there for the result of the check. After a few minutes, a green vehicle, driven by an individual wearing glasses, stops in front of the entrance to the house. The driver goes in quickly. His face is familiar to me but I don't know who he is. I notice a child's seat inside the car. The man comes back out a little later, supporting an elderly lady whom he accompanies towards the area of the swimming pools and the Tapas restaurant. They cross a park where a few buildings have been erected. Madeleine's parents took this route to take their children to the play centre, near the main reception area of the hotel complex. Since the start of the investigation , a team has been permanently on the premises and an apartment has been placed at their disposal. I am about to make enquiries of the police officer on duty when the individual comes back from his walk and greets him as he passes.

- You know that man?

- Yes, he presented himself to the GNR on Friday morning and offered his services as an interpreter. He is of English origin but speaks good Portuguese. He's called Robert Murat.

As the law demands, all foreign people interviewed by the police must have the benefit of an interpreter. In this investigation, the considerable number of interviews we had to conduct in record time forced us to call on the services of volunteers.

- And this guy, you checked him out? No criminal record or trouble with the law?

- No, no, it's all OK, but I didn't know he lived here. It's true that his house is on the route taken by the abductor.

- Stay here, carry on being friendly with him; I'm going to Portimao to see what we've got on him: we've got to find out more about this guy.

I immediately telephone the team to alert them. The Director of the Department of Criminal Investigation in Faro has to be involved in a meeting the same morning, where we will discuss the case of Robert Murat.
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So who in the first place suggested Murat was involved ?

Secondly, this appears to be a routine procedure, so what point are you trying to make exactly ?

[Benice]

So who in the first place suggested Murat was involved ?

Secondly, this appears to be a routine procedure, so what point are you trying to make exactly ?

I  thought it was Lori Cambell who started the ball rolling re Murat, but that is not how Amaral depicts it in his book.   Here is the next section - following on from the one I posted above.   I don't think anyone reading it (along with the first section) would have a clue that it was anyone other than himself who first became' interested' in Murat.  The 'English Journalist''  who is presently being harangued and ridiculed on here for apparently having the same suspicions as Amaral is barely given a mention.   

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I immediately telephone the team to alert them. The Director of the Department of Criminal Investigation in Faro has to be involved in a meeting the same morning, where we will discuss the case of Robert Murat. We decide to request the latter's help again in order not to lose sight of him. We must act with the utmost speed, because Madeleine could be in one of the houses he has access to. The investigators continue to check the information we have about him. He is English, aged 33 and is separated from his wife. The latter lives in Great Britain with their daughter; the latter is nearly the same age as Madeleine and looks like her.   The English journalist to whom he gave this information during an interview was immediately distrusting of him and the reasons that motivated him to help the police.  Murat has lived with his mother in Vila da Luz for several years, but he goes to England regularly. Back from his last stay in Exeter on May 1st, he has to return there on the 9th. He is ready to postpone his departure, desirous above all, he states, of helping the police to find Madeleine.

His behaviour starts to seriously intrigue us. He often makes reference to similar cases that happened in the United Kingdom and which he seems to know in detail. He displays suspicious curiosity and seeks to know more. He offers to help us identify possible suspects. He knows the workings of the Ocean Club and the habits of the holiday-makers very well. He even, allegedly, tried secretly to access the investigation files. It is also known that he visits web sites of a pornographic nature.

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[stephen25000]

I  thought it was Lori Cambell who started the ball rolling re Murat, but that is not how Amaral depicts it in his book.   Here is the next section - following on from the one I posted above.   I don't think anyone reading it (along with the first section) would have a clue that it was anyone other than himself who first became' interested' in Murat.  The 'English Journalist''  who is presently being harangued and ridiculed on here for apparently having the same suspicions as Amaral is barely given a mention.   

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I immediately telephone the team to alert them. The Director of the Department of Criminal Investigation in Faro has to be involved in a meeting the same morning, where we will discuss the case of Robert Murat. We decide to request the latter's help again in order not to lose sight of him. We must act with the utmost speed, because Madeleine could be in one of the houses he has access to. The investigators continue to check the information we have about him. He is English, aged 33 and is separated from his wife. The latter lives in Great Britain with their daughter; the latter is nearly the same age as Madeleine and looks like her.   The English journalist to whom he gave this information during an interview was immediately distrusting of him and the reasons that motivated him to help the police.  Murat has lived with his mother in Vila da Luz for several years, but he goes to England regularly. Back from his last stay in Exeter on May 1st, he has to return there on the 9th. He is ready to postpone his departure, desirous above all, he states, of helping the police to find Madeleine.

His behaviour starts to seriously intrigue us. He often makes reference to similar cases that happened in the United Kingdom and which he seems to know in detail. He displays suspicious curiosity and seeks to know more. He offers to help us identify possible suspects. He knows the workings of the Ocean Club and the habits of the holiday-makers very well. He even, allegedly, tried secretly to access the investigation files. It is also known that he visits web sites of a pornographic nature.

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Don't you realize the irony of these sections.

They were looking for an abductor(s).

[Benice]

Don't you realize the irony of these sections.

They were looking for an abductor(s).

What has that got to do with the distinct impression which Amaral gives in his book that it was he personally who first suspected Murat and decided to make enquiries?    If the truth is that  it was Lori Campbell and other reporters who started to see 'shades of Ian Huntley' in Murats behaviour and who decided they should alert the Leicester police to their observations which led to Murat being investigated, then why does Amaral apparently seek to hide that fact from his readers in that part of his book.     All very odd IMO.

   

[stephen25000]

What has that got to do with the distinct impression which Amaral gives in his book that it was he personally who first suspected Murat and decided to make enquiries?    If the truth is that  it was Lori Campbell and other reporters who started to see 'shades of Ian Huntley' in Murats behaviour and who decided they should alert the Leicester police to their observations which led to Murat being investigated, then why does Amaral apparently seek to hide that fact from his readers in that part of his book.     All very odd IMO.

 

So where exactly does it say Amaral suspected Murat of an abduction ?

[DCI]

So where exactly does it say Amaral suspected Murat of an abduction ?

Can this be taken as suspecting him.

"We must act with the utmost speed, because Madeleine could be in one of the houses he has access to".

[stephen25000]

Can this be taken as suspecting him.

"We must act with the utmost speed, because Madeleine could be in one of the houses he has access to".

but she wasn't , so what's the point of referring to this ?

[stephen25000]

Yes, Stephen25000 really is that stupid ...

Oh dear 'ferryman'. Resulting to insults.

You seem to have forgotten that the PJ dismissed Murat as a suspect.

There was no evidence of abduction.

Hence the parents.............................

Meanwhile you have libeled Grime repeatedly, on here and elsewhere.

Can you explain why you have done that ?

You do know records of that have been kept ? 

[Luz]

...and by the way, whenever there is a criminal charge made by any citizen (national or foreigner) against anyone, it's obligatory for the PJ to follow suit. There is always an investigation, unless the plea is too unreal.
Murat had been accused by a UK journalist that had contacted the Brit authorities, and those contacted the portuguese, and soon after a resented ex-girlfriend accused him also. Only later came the Taner acknowledgement and the other Tapas after being put in front of him - 4 Tapas lied deliberately to incriminate an innocent person. That tells a lot about them.

[Luz]

If the matter wasn't so sad I would say I had a grand laugh at watching some people shooting heir own foot.

The more you want to attack those that have done their job and try to get a pass for those that failed, the more you dig your grave.

[Benice]

...and by the way, whenever there is a criminal charge made by any citizen (national or foreigner) against anyone, it's obligatory for the PJ to follow suit. There is always an investigation, unless the plea is too unreal.
Murat had been accused by a UK journalist that had contacted the Brit authorities, and those contacted the portuguese, and soon after a resented ex-girlfriend accused him also. Only later came the Taner acknowledgement and the other Tapas after being put in front of him - 4 Tapas lied deliberately to incriminate an innocent person. That tells a lot about them.

Why would they lie?  The 3 who said they saw Murat on the night of the 3rd didn't know anything about him until they saw him on TV.   And then all they did was pass on that particular piece of information - as any normal person would in those circumstances.     JT  has never identified Murat at any time, as if she had there would be a witness statement to prove it - not just Amaral's word  - who wasn't present at the failed 'identity parade'.

Murat wasn't accused of anything by the UK journalist.  She along with other reporters thought his 'interest' in the case was OTT and reminded them of the behaviour of Ian Huntley in another UK case of missing children.  They decided to pass their concerns on to the UK police.  That was the correct thing to do IMO.

Amaral's description in his book of how Murat first came to his attention, is nothing like how you describe it above.   

[Angelo222]

Unless anyone thinks  the whole story was fabricated for some reason.....then it seems likely it was dropped early on

ETA After reading Luzs post quoting DCI asserting that Mr Amaral made it all up, ie Murat bringing an action aganst Tanner, DCI needs to back it up! And explain how Murats lawyer and Kier Simmonds ITV journalist and others just went along with the alledged fairy story.....!

It appears to be part of the course in this never ending saga.

[Angelo222]

You never fail to amuse FM with your defacto statements based on nothing except your wishful thinking, LoooL

No doubt, no doubt, ? Says who? You? or a dog handler? too funny

Anyway the thread is about the surveillance van exercise....and whether Tanner fingered Murat as bundleman, which by all accounts she did at the time

Tanner's partner was one of the three tapas who made statements saying that Murat was lingering around the apartment shortly after Madeleine was reported missing.  Does anyone believe for a minute that he wouldn't have communicated this fact to Tanner?  She then obviously put two and two together and came up with 22 instead of 4.

Having initially suggested it was him and after having then been taken out by the cops to do a bit of reconnoitring she seems to have back tracked very quickly.

[Angelo222]

Murat had been accused by a UK journalist that had contacted the Brit authorities, and those contacted the portuguese, and soon after a resented ex-girlfriend accused him also. Only later came the Taner acknowledgement and the other Tapas after being put in front of him - 4 Tapas lied deliberately to incriminate an innocent person. That tells a lot about them.

Or could it be a simple case of mistaken identity followed by the lemming syndrome?