Why did Amaral and PJ suspect the McCanns and Murat as being somehow involved?

[gilet]

I find this very interesting.  Seems Amaral had to rush to get them "in his clutches"?

AnneGuedes claims to know that is not the reason why Alipio Ribeiro called the action hasty.

Unfortunately she has failed to provide any evidence for her claim.

I have asked for a citation which proves her claim but so far nothing.

[Rachel Granada]

"material which he intends to post"

What is this, a childish game?

When will this "material which he intends to post" actually be posted?

Or is that top secret too?

The more I read here of the decisions and games being played by moderators the more I think this entire forum is becoming a laughing stock.

Now you as senior editor are telling us that at some future date this moderator who goes by the devilishly clever name of Insider will be revealing some kind of devastating information which he has had to get you to OK in advance but which he hasn't bothered to post as yet, preferring to make the mystery seem ever more intriguing.

I doubt that even Redblossom would have come up with such a forum game.

Good points, gilet. John, has this information that "Insider" has had to gain permission to post, been passed to the police? Why all the mystery and intrigue?  Are you trying to imply that Insider really is an "Insider" on this case?

[AnneGuedes]

Please give a citation to prove your claim that is the reason Alipio Ribeiro lamented the precipitation to make the McCanns arguidos.

There are other possible explanations as to his statement and I, so far, have not seen anything which proves that was the reason he had.

Are you speculating or do you have proof?

No proof, but is it necessary ? Thanks to being an arguida Mrs McCann managed to escape answering crucial questions (some of the 48).
I'd be amazed if it didn't pass AR's mind.
Actually he never said the decision was wrong, but possibly precipitated.
The consequences were disproportionate : The UK media interpreted it as denying GA's initiative (though the MP decided it) and proving the McCanns had erroneously be made arguidos, hence were innocent.

[Carana]

No, there aren't two entry/exit points. The "patio door" isn't a door (so an entry/exit point) as shows its name in Portuguese -- window-door -- : you can pass through it but you can't open and shut it on either side, as you would in the case of a normal door. If you close this window door from the outside, you block it and can't get in again, the mechanism existing only on the inside for obvious reasons of security.
This window door was misused by the McCanns, not during day time (Mr McCann would close it behind his family), but at night because, leaving apart burglars, her daughter, who likely would'nt have easily manipulated the mechanism, easily could slide the open door and leave.

If it couldn't be opened from the outside once it was shut, what was the point of Gerry locking it and going out via the front door during the day? 

[Redblossom]

"material which he intends to post"

What is this, a childish game?

When will this "material which he intends to post" actually be posted?

Or is that top secret too?

The more I read here of the decisions and games being played by moderators the more I think this entire forum is becoming a laughing stock.

Now you as senior editor are telling us that at some future date this moderator who goes by the devilishly clever name of Insider will be revealing some kind of devastating information which he has had to get you to OK in advance but which he hasn't bothered to post as yet, preferring to make the mystery seem ever more intriguing.

I doubt that even Redblossom would have come up with such a forum game.

LOL cant resist swiping

Rolly eyes

[AnneGuedes]

AnneGuedes claims to know that is not the reason why Alipio Ribeiro called the action hasty.

Unfortunately she has failed to provide any evidence for her claim.

I have asked for a citation which proves her claim but so far nothing.

Always aggressive, Gilet ! Incredible ! Are you dreaming ? Do posters have to answer you hastily ?
Possibly hasty decision by the MP (and the rub was between the MP and the PJ direction).

[gilet]

No proof, but is it necessary ? Thanks to being an arguida Mrs McCann managed to escape answering crucial questions (some of the 48).
I'd be amazed if it didn't pass AR's mind.
Actually he never said the decision was wrong, but possibly precipitated.
The consequences were disproportionate : The UK media interpreted it as denying GA's initiative (though the MP decided it) and proving the McCanns had erroneously be made arguidos, hence were innocent.

Aha! So you are simply guessing as to what Alipio Ribeiro believed.

The other alternative which you simply dismiss is equally probable. Indeed it would appear to me to be far more probable in that the hasty action in making the McCanns arguidos without any ratifiable evidence has made the Portuguese police system look rather incompetent.

The initiative as you call it to make the McCanns arguidos in such a manner was either based on a cynical decision to use the dog alerts knowing that they had not been ratified with forensics or an ignorant decision based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of the forensic conclusions.

[AnneGuedes]

If it couldn't be opened from the outside once it was shut, what was the point of Gerry locking it and going out via the front door during the day?

Ask him ! He also ignored that you could double lock the door (the only real one) from the inside.
Perhaps he wanted to double lock the door from the outside.

[Redblossom]

Forensics, dud or not,are never the only reason to make people suspects, simple as that

[gilet]

Always aggressive, Gilet ! Incredible ! Are you dreaming ? Do posters have to answer you hastily ?
Possibly hasty decision by the MP (and the rub was between the MP and the PJ direction).

There is nothing aggressive in my post. Your interpretation of the fact that I have asked for evidence from you of a claim you made as being aggression is most interesting, particularly in light of the fact that you have since shown that you have in fact got no evidence and are just guessing.

Your final sentence does not make any sense whatsoever in English. Once again you show why we should be horrified that you had any role to play in the work of translating the files into English.

Please rephrase it and I will gladly respond.

[gilet]

Forensics, dud or not,are never the only reason to make people suspects, simple as that

The problem with your comment is that Amaral has told us this was a fundamental point on which the case was moved in that direction and why the McCanns were made arguidos.

As I have pointed out that was either a cynical decision made knowing the alerts from the dogs had not been ratified or was a decision made through ignorance and a complete misunderstanding of the forensic results.

Do you have any other suggestion as to what the motive for this hasty decision could have been?

[AnneGuedes]

Aha! So you are simply guessing as to what Alipio Ribeiro believed.

The other alternative which you simply dismiss is equally probable. Indeed it would appear to me to be far more probable in that the hasty action in making the McCanns arguidos without any ratifiable evidence has made the Portuguese police system look rather incompetent.

The initiative as you call it to make the McCanns arguidos in such a manner was either based on a cynical decision to use the dog alerts knowing that they had not been ratified with forensics or an ignorant decision based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of the forensic conclusions.

You'd better read the AG report about the requirement to make the McCanns arguidos (it was to protect them, if I may remind you). It's very clear. I posted it yesterday, the nurse evidently claimed that I forged it !
If you're interested in the AR polemic, there are documents on the web, study particularly Prof Marcelo Ribeiro de Sousa's sayings about the topic. Mr Amaral had nothing to do with this, in spite of what the UK media pretended. The conflict was between the MP and the PJ direction.

[Carana]

That's exactly how it played out.   Amaral had his suspicions but he writes in his book of the event that although he was concerned he dared not report it to his bosses.

One of the factors which influenced the PJ was the absence of any incriminating fingerprints on the shutters or footsteps on the window sill of the childrens bedroom.  They were convinced that no abductor could have entered or exited that window which left the parents story lacking credibility.

Would gloves normally leave incriminating fingerprints, do you think?

[AnneGuedes]

I didn't know but I learnt that gloves leave marks, of course anonymous.

[Jean-Pierre]

Ask him ! He also ignored that you could double lock the door (the only real one) from the inside.
Perhaps he wanted to double lock the door from the outside.

Are you feeling quite well Anne?

The front door could be double locked from the inside (without a key) or from the outside (with a key - an extra turn would double lock).  The only problem is that the door could also be opened, using the staff key, even when double locked from the inside.  As was quite widely reported by others at the time. 

Incidentally, Amaral ruled out the use of the front door in his documentary because "nobody was authorised to have a key".  Which gives something of the measure of the man.