Elite detective squad to travel to Portugal within weeks.

[John]

The Daily Express reports that an elite detective squad is to travel to Portugal within weeks in order to pursue the Madeleine McCann investigation.

I get the distinct feeling that this highly publicised effort will turn into yet another media circus and is nothing more than a case of going through the motions in an attempt to bring closure to the case. 

[Mr Gray]

The Daily Express reports that an elite detective squad is to travel to Portugal within weeks in order to pursue the Madeleine McCann investigation.

I get the distinct feeling that this highly publicised effort will turn into yet another media circus and is nothing more than a case of going through the motions in an attempt to bring closure to the case. 

I disagree John, I think some progress is being made and we may get some answers.

[John]

The Portuguese Police were best placed to carry out the investigation in 2007 and ultimately reported that there was no evidence of an abduction.  I cannot see that situation changing regardless how many so-called elite detectives as sent to the Algarve by Scotland Yard.

The delay in making any progress is indicative that the Portuguese are not keen to allow the UK police onto their patch since any breakthrough will inevitably refect badly on them.

There is no evidence that she is alive just as there is none that she is dead.  If her parents had cooperated with the Portuguese Police instead of running a Press campaign against them then the outcome might well have been so different.

So many questions...too few answers!

[stephen25000]

The Portuguese Police were best placed to carry out the investigation in 2007 and ultimately reported that there was no evidence of an abduction.  I cannot see that situation changing regardless how many so-called elite detectives as sent to the Algarve by Scotland Yard.

The delay in making any progress is indicative that the Portuguese are not keen to allow NSY onto their patch in an attempt to show them

There is no evidence that she is alive just as there is none that she is dead.  If her parents had cooperated with the Portuguese Police instead of running a Press campaign against them then the outcome might well have been so different.

So many questions...too few answers!

 

[sadie]

http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/2013/08/madeleine-mccann-investigation-moving-forward.

[south of the river]

The Portuguese Police were best placed to carry out the investigation in 2007 and ultimately reported that there was no evidence of an abduction.  I cannot see that situation changing regardless how many so-called elite detectives as sent to the Algarve by Scotland Yard.

There is no evidence that she is alive just as there is none that she is dead.  If her parents had cooperated with the Portuguese Police instead of running a Press campaign against them then the outcome might well have been so different.

So many questions...too few answers!

Of course they were best placed at the time - but the question is did they ?? many argue that they didn't pursue any other strategy apart from parental involvement and in reality they archived the case without really having a clue what happened

If what SY have said is true and there are a ton of unfollowed leads to pursue then surely this is a good thing. Whatever views you might have about who " dunnit " it is positive that SY are able to provide some fresh eyes on the case.

It might all end up going nowhere - but I am far more happier that there is something happening that might unearth a snippet that could lead to solving the mystery - that is what policing does - go back and look at all statements and start again - basic police work

[sadie]

The Portuguese Police were best placed to carry out the investigation in 2007 and ultimately reported that there was no evidence of an abduction.  I cannot see that situation changing regardless how many so-called elite detectives as sent to the Algarve by Scotland Yard.

The delay in making any progress is indicative that the Portuguese are not keen to allow NSY onto their patch in an attempt to show them

There is no evidence that she is alive just as there is none that she is dead. If her parents had cooperated with the Portuguese Police instead of running a Press campaign against them then the outcome might well have been so different.

So many questions...too few answers!

Had you watched what went on in the early days, then you wouldn't have said that John.

[John]

Had you watched what went on in the early days, then you wouldn't have said that John.

In the early days Sadie?  Who was it who contacted Sky News and the BBC soon after the disappearance and put out false facts?

[sadie]

In the early days Sadie?  Who was it who contacted Sky News and the BBC soon after the disappearance and put out false facts?

I think that you will find that it was not The Mccanns who contacted them

What were the false facts put out by The Mccanns?   Cites please.


Have you forgotten all the false information (disinformation) put out about the Mccanns and the Tapas group?

[John]

I think that you will find that it was not The Mccanns who contacted them

What were the false facts put out by The Mccanns?   Cites please.


Have you forgotten all the false information (disinformation) put out about the Mccanns and the Tapas group?

It was the McCanns relatives who telephoned the various news media outlets after having been briefed by the parents.

According to the police investigation, false information included the claim that the shutters had been forced, that an intruder had entered the childrens bedroom via the bedroom window and had  left the front door open.

[Jean-Pierre]

John - are you suggesting that that the PJ were relying on second / third / fourth hand press comment for their information?  Rather than interviews and statements with witnesses actually present?

Mind you, what with the Co-ordinator having been made an arguido himself a day or so before, and the use of amateur translators, that might figure.

(as it happens, I think the PJ in general are far more professional than that, and that you have been reading too many forum myths). 

[John]

John - are you suggesting that that the PJ were relying on second / third / fourth hand press comment for their information?  Rather than interviews and statements with witnesses actually present?

Mind you, what with the Co-ordinator having been made an arguido himself a day or so before, and the use of amateur translators, that might figure.

(as it happens, I think the PJ in general are far more professional than that, and that you have been reading too many forum myths).

They saw the reports for themselves in the news.  They didn't need statements from anyone to realise what was going on.

[south of the river]

It is with a lot of incredulity that almost straight away the McCann's suddenly become this pair of master manipulators who could crack the whip and control the UK red tops to get their message subtlety out there .Brief all the relatives with clever  story lines that would confuse the PJ and other law enforcement agencies

persuade their friends to lie for them and risk everything to become accessories to s hideous crime

OH and of course get the UK government to begin to organise a huge cover up that included Prime ministers and ambassador's  - get the Pope blessing and dictate to the police the agenda

sorry almost forgot dispose of a body in a matter of minutes - leaving no forensic evidence atall - nothing  hide the body , move the body in a bag , hire car .............  I mean it just goes on

[AnneGuedes]

John wrote :
The delay in making any progress is indicative that the Portuguese are not keen to allow NSY onto their patch in an attempt to show them up.

The Portuguese have been very quick in accepting the request of the CPS. In an attempt of balance they could have postponed it a few months. They didn't, which is very positive.
Whereas the PJ spent 14 months on the case, the Met, which didn't have to collect the data, spent twice that time and haven't yet reviewed more than 2 thirds of the documents.
If the Met by chance resolves the case, the Portuguese will legitimately argue they would have resolved it as well, had they had been granted more time.  Their time was limited not only because of Mr Murat's arguido status but mainly because the McCanns didn't require the inquiry they were entitled to (likely because their priority was the removal of the arguido status).

[sadie]

It was the McCanns relatives who telephoned the various news media outlets after having been briefed by the parents.

According to the police investigation, false information included the claim that the shutters had been forced, that an intruder had entered the childrens bedroom via the bedroom window and had  left the front door open.

John

Over the past week I have waded thru virtually all the Tapas statements + the Wilkins + the waiters etc etc. and I am pretty sure that one of the Tapas or The Wilkins notified one branch of the media.  I think it was one of the Tapas group and IIRC it was done off their own bat without reference to the Mccanns.

I am trying to remember now, cos i aint wading thru that lot again in a hurry ... made my eyes bleed !  I have a feeling that one of the Tapas was talking to a friend about it and that friend had close connections to the media and offered to get something going.
Thanks DCI.  Now we have absolutely the correct information

Jez and /or Bridget had close connections with Crimewatch.  I think that Bridget actiually worked on Crimewatch, and she was very aware of how important the first two hours were.  She, or he, describes how they watched the chaos of the PT police, from their balcony, with sinking hearts because the first period was such a mess, so chaotic.... and she realised that probably Madeleine was completely lost.