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Offline DCI

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Re: So when was the first translation of the Amaral book available?
« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2013, 08:54:15 PM »
Maybe this one is better.

3/05/2009
 
Maddie, The Forbidden Investigation: Revelations of the Portuguese Coordinator in charge of the investigation.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id271.html
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Re: So when was the first translation of the Amaral book available?
« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2013, 08:54:24 PM »
If the administration allows me, let me translate a small slice of the article whose link I provided in my previous post:

«Maddie: L'Enquête Interdite»
( http://www.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/article/maddie-l-enquete-interdite-65869 )


[La disparition de Maddie au Portugal à été surmédiatisée, malheureusement, à cause de pression politiques, la version des médias est celle des parents de maddie qui attaquent en justice tous ceux qui expriment une opinion sur cette affaire qui les accuse, même si cette opinion est basée sur des faits et des preuves récoltées durant l’enquête, il y a même une demande d’indemnisation des parents de Maddie qui veulent récupérer les bénéfices du livre.]


The disappearance of Maddie in Portugal was overmediated, unfortunately, due to political pressures, the version of the Media is that of Maddie's parents which attack in the justice system everyone that expresses an opinion about this case, that accuse them, even if those opinions are based on facts and proof gathered during the investigation, there is even a request for a compensation from Maddie's parents that want to recover all the benefits (money) from the book.


«L’aspect très mercantile des parents qui veulent visiblement récupérer de l’argent sur tout ce qui touche cette affaire est très dérangeant, comme d’accepter seulement des interview ou ils sont payés (curieux pour des parents qui veulent communiquer pour aider à ce que l’on retrouve leur fille présumée disparue). La disparition de leur fille est devenue pour eux l’occasion de gagner de l’argent via leur fond de recherche pour retrouver maddie, mais là aussi on trouve des informations qui indiquent que leur fond leur sert surtout à emmagasiner plein d’argent, ce qui est confirmé par le fait qu’il ne s’agit pas d’un fond charité mais d’une entreprise comme une autre »:


The very mercantile feature of the parents that visibly want to recover the money from everything that touches this case is very disturbing, like accepting to make interviews where they are payed (interesting for parents that want to communicate in order to help those that may find their daughter allegedly missing). The disappearing of their daughter became a means for them to make money through their searching Fund to look for Maddie, but there we also found informants that indicate that their Fund has been used especially to make money, which is confirmed by the fact that it is not a charity Fund but an enterprise/company as any other.


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Well, the article continues but I think this is enough to provide the vision that other countries have about this "business".
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Re: So when was the first translation of the Amaral book available?
« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2013, 08:58:19 PM »
That might be true. And Luz seems to confirm, as she says the book was translated in January 2010 (after being published in French, the language it was translated from, in May 2009).
Up to the injunction, there were proceedings (imo) to have the book published in the UK.
That doesn't explain though how Mr Pike, Mr Wright and Mr and Mrs McCann, among possible others, read the book in 2008 or 2009.

Do you have a note of the actual words which were spoken by Pike and Wright as spoken in the court room?

Then we can make a proper decision as to what was said.

Were the words clear that this was a full and complete translation of the book or could they have been referring to the translations from the books which we know were availaible on the internet back in August 2008.

As it stands we know that all the most important parts of the book were online in English by August 2008. Without a verbatim record of what was actually said it is impossible to know whether the reference was to these lengthy excerpts or to a full translation.
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Re: So when was the first translation of the Amaral book available?
« Reply #48 on: September 26, 2013, 08:59:24 PM »
If the administration allows me, let me translate a small slice of the article whose link I provided in my previous post:

«Maddie: L'Enquête Interdite»
( http://www.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/article/maddie-l-enquete-interdite-65869 )


Please explain what this has to do with the topic of this thread or please open a new thread to discuss the matter.

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Re: So when was the first translation of the Amaral book available?
« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2013, 09:03:27 PM »
Maybe this one is better.

3/05/2009
 
Maddie, The Forbidden Investigation: Revelations of the Portuguese Coordinator in charge of the investigation.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id271.html

Why would it be better if its  dated 2009
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Offline Luz

Re: So when was the first translation of the Amaral book available?
« Reply #50 on: September 26, 2013, 09:08:24 PM »
Why would it be better if its  dated 2009
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When you don't have defense you attack, even if shooting your foot.
That reference puts the book being released in French in March 2009, I wonder how Mr. Pike or Wright or whoever got hold of an English language translation in 2008!!!!

Offline Luz

Re: So when was the first translation of the Amaral book available?
« Reply #51 on: September 26, 2013, 09:12:08 PM »
Please explain what this has to do with the topic of this thread or please open a new thread to discuss the matter.

The first English translation was made after the French version, I obtained that link when googling for the first french version of the book.

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Re: So when was the first translation of the Amaral book available?
« Reply #52 on: September 26, 2013, 09:12:35 PM »
Perhaps you pair should try reading posts correctly before abusing

That might be true. And Luz seems to confirm, as she says the book was translated in January 2010 (after being published in French, the language it was translated from, in May 2009).
Up to the injunction, there were proceedings (imo) to have the book published in the UK.
That doesn't explain though how Mr Pike, Mr Wright and Mr and Mrs McCann, among possible others, read the book in 2008 or 2009.
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Re: So when was the first translation of the Amaral book available?
« Reply #53 on: September 26, 2013, 09:15:11 PM »
When you don't have defense you attack, even if shooting your foot.
That reference puts the book being released in French in March 2009, I wonder how Mr. Pike or Wright or whoever got hold of an English language translation in 2008!!!!

Sorry, the translation was rather poor and I missed that, but can you prove that either Pike or Wright were referring to that full translation or were they referring to translations from the book (some of them quite lengthy and covering all the most important parts of the book) which both you and I know were online in August 2008.

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Re: So when was the first translation of the Amaral book available?
« Reply #54 on: September 26, 2013, 09:16:07 PM »
The first English translation was made after the French version, I obtained that link when googling for the first french version of the book.

You should have asked. I could have told you the French version does not appear to be online.


AnneGuedes

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Re: So when was the first translation of the Amaral book available?
« Reply #55 on: September 26, 2013, 10:05:54 PM »
Jeez!!

Surely you don't need Einstein, to work it out Anne. The book was on sale from July 24th 2008 in Portugal.
Could only the Portuguese people buy it, when it was released?
Are you insulting me for supposedly ignoring that UK people could order the book to a Portuguese library and have it sent to the UK ? Or insulting me because I seem to ignore that buying a book equals reading it ? Or insulting me because in fact Mr and Mrs McCann, thanks to their terrible misfortune, have at least learnt Portuguese and read the book in the text ?

AnneGuedes

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Re: So when was the first translation of the Amaral book available?
« Reply #56 on: September 26, 2013, 10:07:44 PM »
You should have asked. I could have told you the French version does not appear to be online.
The book is still on sale. Any version on line would prejudice the publisher.

AnneGuedes

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Re: So when was the first translation of the Amaral book available?
« Reply #57 on: September 26, 2013, 10:13:40 PM »
Sorry, the translation was rather poor and I missed that, but can you prove that either Pike or Wright were referring to that full translation or were they referring to translations from the book (some of them quite lengthy and covering all the most important parts of the book) which both you and I know were online in August 2008.
More crucial than your rich English, my poor English, you ignorance of Portuguese, my poor Portuguese, there's a simple issue : words have meanings, if you start twisting their meanings, no communication will ever occur. A translated book is a complete book. Extracts are selected parts of a book. Are you aware of that or do you only read the Reader's Digest ?

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Re: So when was the first translation of the Amaral book available?
« Reply #58 on: September 26, 2013, 10:16:45 PM »
When you don't have defense you attack, even if shooting your foot.
That reference puts the book being released in French in March 2009, I wonder how Mr. Pike or Wright or whoever got hold of an English language translation in 2008!!!!

Yes i kniw its quite  pathetic, still...they will have to prove it all in a court of LAW

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Re: So when was the first translation of the Amaral book available?
« Reply #59 on: September 26, 2013, 10:18:09 PM »
The book is still on sale. Any version on line would prejudice the publisher.

So the Annaesse version doesn't prejudice the publisher? It is online.

I know it does because had it not existed I would in the past have bought the book in French or at a pinch in Portuguese. The version in English online (which I presume probably breaks copyright) is enough for my needs. No point in paying out money when one of Amaral's mates offers his book for free is there?