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Offline faithlilly

Re: So seriously -Why was the Trial cancelled today?
« Reply #75 on: September 28, 2013, 10:18:05 AM »
The reality is that this day in court was cancelled because an adult who was having some pre-arranged surgery on his hand needed "daddy" to hold his other hand and that is a total disgrace.

As far as I am concerned the Portuguese judicial system is becoming a total laughing stock.

Apart from the Telegraph piece what information do we have that the lawyer's son was a grown-up ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline gilet

Re: So seriously -Why was the Trial cancelled today?
« Reply #76 on: September 28, 2013, 12:21:21 PM »
my  mum sitll comes to my medical appoitments   with me etc and im 34  parenthood doesnt stop    when your  18 unlike the uk  who seem to ship theur kids off to boarding  school aged 8 out of site out of mind ehh?

Well, just for comparison. Two extremely close relatives of mine and me around that age.

Female, age 32, married, two children (had three but one died while a toddler from congenital illness), left school at sixteen, business woman with small chain of upmarket chocolate shops.

Female, age 34. left school and home at 18, worked her way during university in various sales jobs, three degrees, first, masters and doctorate. Works at national headquarters of a major company. Has bought her own apartment and has almost finished building her own house. Took her grandmother in when she was very ill and needed regular hospital treatment (and paid privately for that treatment for her and accompanied her to her appointments). About to get married.

Male - (me when I was 34, some years ago now). Left school and home at 18. University with grant for first degree but two further degrees (masters and doctorate) undertaken part time while working. Working in London, responsible for team of 32 subordinates.

Not everybody chooses to live at home with mummy and daddy till they are in their mid-30s you know. And not everyone automatically believes that daddy must be present for pre-arranged surgery on the hand of his adult child.

And just in case you didn't know - a large proportion of boarders in the UK are now from foreign parts including Europe, Asia and even Australasia.

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Offline faithlilly

Re: So seriously -Why was the Trial cancelled today?
« Reply #77 on: September 28, 2013, 06:54:50 PM »
Well, just for comparison. Two extremely close relatives of mine and me around that age.

Female, age 32, married, two children (had three but one died while a toddler from congenital illness), left school at sixteen, business woman with small chain of upmarket chocolate shops.

Female, age 34. left school and home at 18, worked her way during university in various sales jobs, three degrees, first, masters and doctorate. Works at national headquarters of a major company. Has bought her own apartment and has almost finished building her own house. Took her grandmother in when she was very ill and needed regular hospital treatment (and paid privately for that treatment for her and accompanied her to her appointments). About to get married.

Male - (me when I was 34, some years ago now). Left school and home at 18. University with grant for first degree but two further degrees (masters and doctorate) undertaken part time while working. Working in London, responsible for team of 32 subordinates.

Not everybody chooses to live at home with mummy and daddy till they are in their mid-30s you know. And not everyone automatically believes that daddy must be present for pre-arranged surgery on the hand of his adult child.

And just in case you didn't know - a large proportion of boarders in the UK are now from foreign parts including Europe, Asia and even Australasia.

So now you have dusted off your ego gilet, do you know the circumstances of the operation ? Does the adult son have special needs, either mental or physical which would necessitate his father being present ? How do we even know the lawyer's son is an adult ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

ferryman

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Re: So seriously -Why was the Trial cancelled today?
« Reply #78 on: September 28, 2013, 07:17:44 PM »
So now you have dusted off your ego gilet, do you know the circumstances of the operation ? Does the adult son have special needs, either mental or physical which would necessitate his father being present ? How do we even know the lawyer's son is an adult ?

“I saw the request to adjourn this morning. The facts are that we have organised the trial and the lawyer was actually here, so I was expecting the trial today. I asked the judge to at least hear my witness.”

Isabel Duarte.

This appears to have been a scheduled medical appointment that Snr Santos didn't trouble to tell the judge about until Gerry arrived in Portugal to testify ....

Offline DCI

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Re: So seriously -Why was the Trial cancelled today?
« Reply #79 on: September 28, 2013, 07:27:07 PM »
The former police officer’s lawyer, Vitor Santos de Oliveira, applied to halt the hearing on Thursday night, telling the court his son was in hospital.
He said: “My son is having an operation. I hope that because of this you won't be making a hullabaloo saying that Gonçalo Amaral is holding things up.”
Isabel Duarte, the lawyer who is representing the McCann family said: “It’s not surreal, it’s Portugal.”
“I saw the request to adjourn this morning. The facts are that we have organised the trial and the lawyer was actually here, so I was expecting the trial today. I asked the judge to at least hear my witness.”

So he applied on Thursday, but Isabel wasn't informed till Friday.
If this was urgent surgery, how come it could be put off till Friday, just in time for the court case to start.
Must have just been a coincidence  8-)(--)
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stephen25000

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Re: So seriously -Why was the Trial cancelled today?
« Reply #80 on: September 28, 2013, 07:47:14 PM »
The former police officer’s lawyer, Vitor Santos de Oliveira, applied to halt the hearing on Thursday night, telling the court his son was in hospital.
He said: “My son is having an operation. I hope that because of this you won't be making a hullabaloo saying that Gonçalo Amaral is holding things up.”
Isabel Duarte, the lawyer who is representing the McCann family said: “It’s not surreal, it’s Portugal.”
“I saw the request to adjourn this morning. The facts are that we have organised the trial and the lawyer was actually here, so I was expecting the trial today. I asked the judge to at least hear my witness.”

So he applied on Thursday, but Isabel wasn't informed till Friday.
If this was urgent surgery, how come it could be put off till Friday, just in time for the court case to start.
Must have just been a coincidence  8-)(--)

How come mccann thought he could waltz in and try to take centre stage ?

Terrible disappointment for his ego. 8**8:/:

Offline Mr Gray

Re: So seriously -Why was the Trial cancelled today?
« Reply #81 on: September 28, 2013, 07:50:32 PM »
How come mccann thought he could waltz in and try to take centre stage ?

Terrible disappointment for his ego. 8**8:/:

Who said this...the truth is he did not even know, and still doesn't whether he will be able to give evidence

Offline carlymichelle

Re: So seriously -Why was the Trial cancelled today?
« Reply #82 on: September 28, 2013, 07:51:36 PM »
How come mccann thought he could waltz in and try to take centre stage ?

Terrible disappointment for his ego. 8**8:/:

well the mcanns think they own and run the  world  so i bet gerry found it hurtful and unhelpful 8((()*/

ferryman

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Re: So seriously -Why was the Trial cancelled today?
« Reply #83 on: September 28, 2013, 09:59:05 PM »
The cynical side of me thinks deliberate.

The kinder side of me  hopes that the child isn't seriously ill, but wonders if it true that it was a non emergency op?

If so then surely the Lawyer should have been aware that it was booked for today.

Just what is going on? Anyone actually know the truth?

I would argue that the serious answer to Lagos Ben's question is that Team Amaral is running scared ....

Offline Luz

Re: So seriously -Why was the Trial cancelled today?
« Reply #84 on: September 29, 2013, 11:46:28 AM »
The cynical side of me thinks deliberate.

The kinder side of me  hopes that the child isn't seriously ill, but wonders if it true that it was a non emergency op?

If so then surely the Lawyer should have been aware that it was booked for today.

Just what is going on? Anyone actually know the truth?


You should be grateful. Because of this postponement, maybe, just maybe there is an opportunity to include Mr. McCann in the roll of witnesses.

Or, maybe, the suspicious side of me makes me wonder if this is not the desired outcome. As a media marketing ploy it would probably be more effective to be impeded from witnessing (because according to the law you are not able to do it just by popping in) and accusing the portuguese legal system of persecution, as usual.

Offline LagosBen

Re: So seriously -Why was the Trial cancelled today?
« Reply #85 on: September 29, 2013, 08:00:38 PM »
Back again -So has anyone answered the query ref Amarals Lawyers son?

Serious medical emergency or not ?

Must say, I was surprised to see Brunt tweet a photo of Amaral entering the Court on Friday and giving s thumbs up.
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Offline Montclair

Re: So seriously -Why was the Trial cancelled today?
« Reply #86 on: September 29, 2013, 08:20:17 PM »
Back again -So has anyone answered the query ref Amarals Lawyers son?

Serious medical emergency or not ?

Must say, I was surprised to see Brunt tweet a photo of Amaral entering the Court on Friday and giving s thumbs up.
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It was the judge who made her decision in accordance with the law and based on the documents presented to her by the lawyer. All of the parties were only informed of her decision on Friday morning. If you have a problem with this, I suggest that you take it up with the judge. You do realise these things come up all of the time during trials all over the world.

Offline LagosBen

Re: So seriously -Why was the Trial cancelled today?
« Reply #87 on: September 29, 2013, 08:22:32 PM »
It was the judge who made her decision in accordance with the law and based on the documents presented to her by the lawyer. All of the parties were only informed of her decision on Friday morning. If you have a problem with this, I suggest that you take it up with the judge. You do realise these things come up all of the time during trials all over the world.

Yes I am aware of postponements. Although Amaral seems to avail himself of quite a few iirc.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: So seriously -Why was the Trial cancelled today?
« Reply #88 on: September 29, 2013, 08:26:34 PM »
It was the judge who made her decision in accordance with the law and based on the documents presented to her by the lawyer. All of the parties were only informed of her decision on Friday morning. If you have a problem with this, I suggest that you take it up with the judge. You do realise these things come up all of the time during trials all over the world.

as a newcomer are you aware of just how unlucky..or dishonest ...amaral has been with the health of his lawyers and those close to him...If I was a lawyer I would be reluctant to take amamral as a client as one of my family would almost certainly be run over by  a steam roller just as I was about to appear in court

Offline Montclair

Re: So seriously -Why was the Trial cancelled today?
« Reply #89 on: September 29, 2013, 08:27:50 PM »
as a newcomer are you aware of just how unlucky..or dishonest ...amaral has been with the health of his lawyers and those close to him...If I was a lawyer I would be reluctant to take amamral as a client as one of my family would almost certainly be run over by  a steam roller just as I was about to appear in court

I am no newcomer to this case and probably know more than you do.