Fatal accidents in the home versus abductions. Is there are comparison?

[Rachel Granada]

Don't apologise! Seriously, no one ever tries, I'm really pleased that you did.

Personally I wouldn't take advantage of such a service. I've thought about this a lot, and I can't think of a single time I left my children out of ear shot at that age. I have two and there's 22 months between them. When they were babies I'd have them strapped to me in their sling, when they were older they'd be toddling around with me. If they were asleep in bed, we'd have the doors open and the baby alarm with us.

We have a shop on the corner of our street that is a comparable distance to the tapas bar from the apartment. On many an occasion I'd realise that I'd run out of something needed for the morning. I never left them. Never. Not for the 3 minutes it would take to grab a pint of milk.

Condemn is a strong word though. I think it's more a case of not comprehending someone else's actions. The idea of leaving small children is just alien to me. I'm more baffled by it than outraged.

Fair enough and thanks for your opinions.  I wouldn't have done what Kate and Gerry did, but the way that some people use it as a stick to beat them with year after year after year, compounding their pain, is not on IMO.

[Redblossom]

you have managed to supply one example, not the thousand hits from google that you expected, fatal accidents in the home, not involving stairs or fires are incredibly rare. Stranger abduction from the home is almost certainly more common

I suppose you have somethng to back this claim up? I find it extremely hard to believe, lets say in the UK for arguments sake, that more children have been adbucted by a stranger from their home than have died as a result of choking, poisoning, drowning, falling out of a window/balcony, strangulation or suffocation and other lesser common fatal accidents, many of which are on the news frequently, in fact I dont believe it at all.

Unless you can prove it....wont hold my breath

[Cariad]

you have managed to supply one example, not the thousand hits from google that you expected, fatal accidents in the home, not involving stairs or fires are incredibly rare. Stranger abduction from the home is almost certainly more common

You asked for a single example of a fatal accident in the home, which I was able to do without consulting Google as it had been on the news today.

I followed your instructions to the letter, you then tell me I'm making a fool of myself. I still don't get it.

Anyway, here's the statistics:
Every year there are approximately 4000 deaths as the result of a home accident. Around 120 of these are below 15 years and 1300 over 75

http://www.rospa.com/homesafety/adviceandinformation/general/facts-figures.aspx

The number of sucsessfull stranger abductions is 68.

http://tna.europarchive.org/20081023123012/homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/r225.pdf


I can't find anything about the number of stranger abductions from the home, so the figures aren't quite like for like.

The accident figures are from 2002 and the abductions from 2002/3  they were the best set of data, if not the most recent.

They're all both from the uk.

Fatal accidents for children under the age of 15 =120
Successful stranger abductions =68.

I'm not going to suggest that you should have Googled it yourself before making your claim to avoid making a fool of yourself though, cause that's just mean!

[AnneGuedes]

You asked for a single example of a fatal accident in the home, which I was able to do without consulting Google as it had been on the news today.

I followed your instructions to the letter, you then tell me I'm making a fool of myself. I still don't get it.

Anyway, here's the statistics:
Every year there are approximately 4000 deaths as the result of a home accident. Around 120 of these are below 15 years and 1300 over 75

http://www.rospa.com/homesafety/adviceandinformation/general/facts-figures.aspx

The number of sucsessfull stranger abductions is 68.

http://tna.europarchive.org/20081023123012/homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/r225.pdf


I can't find anything about the number of stranger abductions from the home, so the figures aren't quite like for like.

The accident figures are from 2002 and the abductions from 2002/3  they were the best set of data, if not the most recent.

They're all both from the uk.

Fatal accidents for children under the age of 15 =120
Successful stranger abductions =68.

I'm not going to suggest that you should have Googled it yourself before making your claim to avoid making a fool of yourself though, cause that's just mean!

CPN also sent informative links. But there are no stats about children abducted by strangers from bed. May be there's none.

[Redblossom]

Bump for Davel in case he didnt see the last three posts, in your own time thank you in advance

[CPN]

 

CPN also sent informative links. But there are no stats about children abducted by strangers from bed. May be there's none.

I did indeed give much the same links on the thread "The breathtaking hypocrisy of those that support the McCanns"  but they did not satisfy davel - mind you I don't see much that does satisfy him! 

The accident figures for young children are  the main reason why the NSPCC and government guidelines say that babies and toddlers should never be left alone, not the possibility of abduction which is relatively rare.   And the reason why it is felt that the McCanns, as doctors, should have known better is, IMO, because they should be aware of this through their training, let alone the likelihood of a GP experiencing this through his/her practice.  And add in the fact that a GP would be expected to report to the authorities any family they knew of leaving children in this way, and would be expected to attend subsequent case conferences.   So the likelihood of the McCanns not knowing this is considerably less that the likelihood of many other parents not knowing this (although common sense should tell you not to leave such young children out of sight and hearing anyway,  and especially when you know they have cried for you the night before)

[Sherlock Holmes]

I think you are sadly wrong. You have quoted an abduction case, could you, or anyone else quote a fatal accident in the home that did not involve fire. I think you will struggle. the home is a dangerous place for accidents, but not for fatal accidents

Yes - drowning.

A neighbour of mine lost her one year old child who drowned having fallen head first into the toilet while the mother was in the basement attending to laundry.

I don't know how common that is, but the risk is certainly high enough for most parents to keep their bathroom and toilet doors shut while the children are very small, even when the parents are close by.

Choking is another example. I know of someone whose child choked on a grape - never give whole grapes to children being another basic rule, as we know - and the child died.

Anecdotal I know, but these are common worries that parents have, not for no reason.

[Benice]

Yes - drowning.

A neighbour of mine lost her one year old child who drowned having fallen head first into the toilet while the mother was in the basement attending to laundry.

I don't know how common that is, but the risk is certainly high enough for most parents to keep their bathroom and toilet doors shut while the children are very small, even when the parents are close by.

Choking is another example. I know of someone whose child choked on a grape - never give whole grapes to children being another basic rule, as we know - and the child died.

Anecdotal I know, but these are common worries that parents have, not for no reason.

I agree Sherlock, IIRC around 6 children a year drown in the bath because their parent(s)  left them briefly for a number of reasons.   These are indeed very rare tragedies, but although a case for neglect on the part of the parents can undoubtedly be made, it never is, because we all recognise that there is no such thing as a perfect parent and so have nothing but extreme sympathy for these people.         Unless their name is McCann of course, who for some inexplicable reason are actually expected to be perfect parents and are not allowed to exhibit the human flaws that the rest of us are so eager to forgive in everyone else


 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I agree Sherlock, IIRC around 6 children a year drown in the bath because their parent(s)  left them briefly for a number of reasons.   These are indeed very rare tragedies, but although a case for neglect on the part of the parents can undoubtedly be made, it never is, because we all recognise that there is no such thing as a perfect parent and so have nothing but extreme sympathy for these people.         Unless their name is McCann of course, who for some inexplicable reason are actually expected to be perfect parents and are not allowed to exhibit the human flaws that the rest of us are so eager to forgive in everyone else


 

Very true, Carana. We are making mistakes all the time - and seek to learn from them. That is the main objective.

[Benice]

Very true, Carana. We are making mistakes all the time - and seek to learn from them. That is the main objective.

Not Carana Sherlock -  it is moi  - Benice.  (no worries though)

[Sherlock Holmes]

Not Carana Sherlock -  it is moi  - Benice.  (no worries though)

I'm so sorry, Benice!

Been on the old seven per cent solution again...

[AnneGuedes]

the father, who spoke at the funeral of his happiness at having had the privilege of knowing and bringing up his son for seven years.

Thank you for telling, SH. I remember what the father said. Who could forget ?

[Benice]

I'm so sorry, Benice!

Been on the old seven per cent solution again...

That's absolutely fine Sherlock - in fact I'm quite flattered to be mistaken for Carana,.   

[Sherlock Holmes]

That's absolutely fine Sherlock - in fact I'm quite flattered to be mistaken for Carana,.   

Very good of you to take it well, Benice. And I am sure Carana will be complimented too. ..

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