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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #255 on: July 18, 2014, 06:45:50 PM »
From church to rocks. Drain nearly hidden on left.



Beach next to promenade at night



Daytime - hide body under rocks at night (temporarily)

« Last Edit: July 18, 2014, 06:48:10 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline sadie

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #256 on: July 18, 2014, 07:24:07 PM »
From church to rocks. Drain nearly hidden on left.



Beach next to promenade at night



Daytime - hide body under rocks at night (temporarily)




Nice photos, Pathfinder  ?>)()<.  You have put a lot of work in, finding them




So what happens when the tide comes in?

Suggest you check Google Earth image dated 7/18/2014 . 
ETA.
I am sorry Pathfinder, my eyesight is failing and I read the GE date wrong.  It should be 7/16/2011.  (highish tide)
Another image showing a lowish tide is dated 9/19/2004

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #257 on: July 18, 2014, 08:09:43 PM »
Nice photos, Pathfinder  ?>)()<.  You have put a lot of work in, finding them




So what happens when the tide comes in?

Suggest you check Google Earth image dated 7/18/2014


Low tide was 10pm so high tide was at 4am (4 May). Good point about how far up high tide comes in over the rocks. Google Earth link please. It took me 15 minutes to find those images Sadie.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2014, 08:31:47 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #258 on: July 18, 2014, 09:00:10 PM »
"And there would be several visits to ‘my rocks’ – a quiet part of the beach away from the promenade. As swimmers and sunbathers preferred the sandy stretches, this area, where the rocks reached down to the water, was usually deserted, and afforded me some shelter and privacy. I still go back there on my visits to Praia da Luz to be on my own."

The next day the McCanns ‘reluctantly’ allowed photographers to picture them “going into church and sitting on the rocks”.



"I had promised my daughter and myself that I would return to Luz, and it had taken a long while for me to be able to do so both safely and in peace. In the middle of winter the village was tranquil. Gerry and I were able to seek solace at Nossa Senhora da Luz, I spent time at my rocks on the beach and we caught up with friends. To this day I still return quietly to Luz from time to time to feel Madeleine close to me.



I happened upon her, walking down to the shore. There she sat alone on the rocks, clutching Madeleine's pink Cuddle Cat toy as always, and gazing out at the Atlantic.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline sadie

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #259 on: July 19, 2014, 12:54:54 AM »
Low tide was 10pm so high tide was at 4am (4 May). Good point about how far up high tide comes in over the rocks. Google Earth link please. It took me 15 minutes to find those images Sadie.

Pathfinder, I dont know how to post GE images or I would put it up.

Please note:
I am sorry Pathfinder, my eyesight is failing and I read the GE date wrong, it's in very small font.  It should be 7/16/2011.  (highish tide)
Another image showing a lowish tide is dated 9/19/2004

Maybe Pegasus could help please, or John?  They both know how to post GE images, I think.



Otherwise , go into GE


1)  type * Praia da Luz, Algarve * in the fly box. 

2)  You will immediately find the coast line at the south of the image.   

3)  Pull the image to waht you want to look at   

4)  Zoom in or out according to what you want to see


5)  Then look on the band at the top of the image, the one with boxes in it.

6)  About 6 boxes from the left, you will see a clock, click on that

7)  A slider will come down with dates on it, move the slder to the date you want and the image with change to show historical images

Magic !!!



Hope you can understand my instructions.  Good luck with it.

Highish tide  = 7/16/2011
Lowish tide = 9/19/2004

Have a look at all the dates to see how it changes in various tidal conditions. 




Particularly interesting to me is how the little western beach vanishes at high tide and becomes just a rocky inlet with sea right up to the rocks.  I reckon that was a smugglers cove at one time and the cave/ tunnel at the back stored the smuggled stuff, or it was transported thru the ?tunnel to premises behind .... only an educated guess tho.

Offline pegasus

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #260 on: July 19, 2014, 01:23:09 AM »
Low tide was 10pm...
I think that's correct for 3 May 2007.

Offline sadie

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #261 on: July 19, 2014, 01:35:29 AM »
I think that's correct for 3 May 2007.
Yep about that time.

I have posted it somewhere, but gawd knows where

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #262 on: July 19, 2014, 02:26:18 PM »
The rocks is connected to the Praia Da Luz Church thread that I started. It is an area where a body could be hidden in the dark and the church leads straight to the rocks. Just to clarify why it is included in this thread.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2014, 09:39:45 PM by Admin »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline sadie

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #263 on: July 19, 2014, 02:33:57 PM »
The rocks is connected to the Praia Da Luz Church thread that I started. It is an area where a body could be hidden and the church leads straight to the rocks. Just to clarify why it is included in this thread.

Did you mange to open G.Earth and see the high and low tide images?



To remind you the images you specially want are

Highish tide as shown in image dated 7/16/2011
Lowish tide, as shown in image dated 9/19/2004

Hope these help you.




Offline sadie

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #264 on: July 19, 2014, 02:42:06 PM »
"And there would be several visits to ‘my rocks’ – a quiet part of the beach away from the promenade. As swimmers and sunbathers preferred the sandy stretches, this area, where the rocks reached down to the water, was usually deserted, and afforded me some shelter and privacy. I still go back there on my visits to Praia da Luz to be on my own."

The next day the McCanns ‘reluctantly’ allowed photographers to picture them “going into church and sitting on the rocks”.



"I had promised my daughter and myself that I would return to Luz, and it had taken a long while for me to be able to do so both safely and in peace. In the middle of winter the village was tranquil. Gerry and I were able to seek solace at Nossa Senhora da Luz, I spent time at my rocks on the beach and we caught up with friends. To this day I still return quietly to Luz from time to time to feel Madeleine close to me.



I happened upon her, walking down to the shore. There she sat alone on the rocks, clutching Madeleine's pink Cuddle Cat toy as always, and gazing out at the Atlantic.

Seems my post has vanished.  I wonder where to?


The top photo is taken at least a month after Madeleine disappeared.  Wristbands appeared on June 2nd. 2007.  I should hope that they had moments when they smiled occasionally more than a month afterwards and maybe 4 months afterwards.  No date on the photo.

In periods of deep depression, flowing water has helped me.  In my case a gushing water mill waterfall and rushing bubbling stream had a wonderful calming effect.  I used to spend long periods looking at it and come away an almost new person.  I recommend it, very therapeutic.
The lower photo is taken after Madeleine vanished.  Cuddlecat, carried everywhere at that stage, is present

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #265 on: July 19, 2014, 02:44:35 PM »
Did you mange to open G.Earth and see the high and low tide images?



To remind you the images you specially want are

Highish tide as shown in image dated 7/16/2011
Lowish tide, as shown in image dated 9/19/2004

Hope these help you.


Thanks Sadie. I found this high tide image dated 16 April 2011.

« Last Edit: July 23, 2014, 09:43:52 PM by Admin »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Carew

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #266 on: July 19, 2014, 02:44:57 PM »
Could the "cuddlecat" be on Kate`s lap in the top photo........under her wrist?

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #267 on: July 19, 2014, 02:45:28 PM »
The top photo is taken after Madeleine vanished.  GM, Wristbands.

Same day, both with wristbands.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2014, 02:56:22 PM by Wonderfulspam »
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Offline jassi

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #268 on: July 19, 2014, 02:53:21 PM »
Could the "cuddlecat" be on Kate`s lap in the top photo........under her wrist?

Yes,  I think so.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #269 on: July 19, 2014, 02:59:18 PM »
The top photo is taken after Madeleine vanished.  GM, Wristbands.

Same day, both with wristbands.

Thanks WS. That 2nd pic confirms CC was there. Now back on topic.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.