A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?

[stephen25000]

we know SY have clearly stated the MCCanns are not suspects...  fact

So what are you worried about, if the Mccanns have nothing to worry about ?

[Mr Gray]

They are still investigating - FACT.

 yes they are still investigating regarding a stranger abduction and they don't regard the McCanns as suspects

[Benice]

Kate said she knew straight away that Madeleine was abducted - let me think - yeah the window was open in Madeleine's bedroom and she was gone. So you phone the police straight away if you know it's abduction! There was no need to start examining and contaminating the crime scene. There was no need for her to bide her time in phoning the police if she knew it was abduction unless of course it was for another reason.

Yes of course, when you think your daughter has just been abducted you immediately morph into a policeman and behave logically and rationally - your first thought being not to contaminate the crime scene.  FGS - she would be scared stiff and panicking like mad - why can't people understand that?

There have a been few posters (Im not one of them I'm glad to say) who have experienced losing their child - for a few moments or even a little longer.   I do not remember one of them saying how cool, calm and collected they remained.

[Benice]

They are still investigating - FACT.

But not the McCanns or any of their friends.     

SY have now said more than once that they are not suspects or even persons of interest in their investigations. The McCanns are being kept updated with events by SY.   They have met with the Oporto team.   

Anyone who can turn that into meaning  'the McCanns are still suspects' is seriously clutching at straws IMO.

[Lyall]

But not the McCanns or any of their friends.     

SY have now said more than once that they are not suspects or even persons of interest in their investigations. The McCanns are being kept updated with events by SY.   They have met with the Oporto team.   

Anyone who can turn that into meaning  'the McCanns are still suspects' is seriously clutching at straws IMO.

They are if/when nothing else turns up. And it hasn't so far.

[Wonderfulspam]

But not the McCanns or any of their friends.     

SY have now said more than once that they are not suspects or even persons of interest in their investigations. The McCanns are being kept updated with events by SY.   They have met with the Oporto team.   

Anyone who can turn that into meaning  'the McCanns are still suspects' is seriously clutching at straws IMO.

Scotland Yard commenting on the review in an FOI response, October 2011

"High profile reviews, such as this one, are highly emotive and the manner in which they are conducted are usually kept in strict secrecy so that the tactics and lines of enquiry that are followed do not become public knowledge thereby rendering them useless."

[Rachel Granada]

No it isnt its Afro-Caribbean actually originally from France.

Well as long as your not making fun of me, I am happy with that. 

Leonora Cipriano was allegedgly beaten up by police officers who were interrogating her.

Amaral was not actually one of the officers in the room at the time, and was never implicated in her beating. He was however charged with falsifying documents and has served his time.

The mother who committed filiacide was eventually found to have lied and had an extra 7 months added to her sentence.

I surely hope that clears up what I was trying to say. I must try the harder with my eeeeenglish lessons.....

No not making fun, colosto !  I love France, which part were you born in?  I spent 6 months in Montpellier in the 80s.

[pathfinder73]

Scotland Yard commenting on the review in an FOI response, October 2011

"High profile reviews, such as this one, are highly emotive and the manner in which they are conducted are usually kept in strict secrecy so that the tactics and lines of enquiry that are followed do not become public knowledge thereby rendering them useless."

Thanks. The way it should be.

[Mr Gray]

They are if/when nothing else turns up. And it hasn't so far.

What a ridiculous, totally without any real substance post.. You may well have said tick tock...slowly slowly catchee monkee

[Lyall]

What a ridiculous, totally without any real substance post.. You may well have said tick tock...slowly slowly catchee monkee

It's only ridiculous to you as an unquestioning defender of the parents.

The rest of us live amongst the majority of the population who will wonder if police find nothing down the route they have chosen to take.

[DCI]

Scotland Yard commenting on the review in an FOI response, October 2011

"High profile reviews, such as this one, are highly emotive and the manner in which they are conducted are usually kept in strict secrecy so that the tactics and lines of enquiry that are followed do not become public knowledge thereby rendering them useless."

Scotland Yard commenting on the review in an FOI response, October 2011, in context.

Evidence of Harm

In considering whether or not this information should be disclosed, I have considered
the potential HARM that could be caused by disclosure.

Under the Act, we cannot, and do not request the motives of any applicant for
information. We have no doubt the vast majority of applications under the Act are
legitimate and do not have any ulterior motives, however, in disclosing information to
one applicant we are expressing a willingness to provide it to anyone in the world. This
means that a disclosure to a genuinely interested applicant automatically opens it up for
a similar disclosure to anyone, including those who might represent a threat to
individuals, or any possible criminal and/or civil process.
 
Information of this nature needs to be treated with extreme sensitivity, as it could have a
detrimental effect on a review and the operational effectiveness of the MPS and it's
ability to fulfil its core function of law enforcement.

High profile reviews, such as this one, are highly emotive and the manner in which they
are conducted are usually kept in strict secrecy so that the tactics and lines of enquiry
that are followed do not become public knowledge thereby rendering them useless.

[jassi]

It's only ridiculous to you as an unquestioning defender of the parents.

The rest of us live amongst the majority of the population who will wonder if police find nothing down the route they have chosen to take.

And what they will do if they don't find anything. Give up or look elsewhere?

[j.rob]

Well, nothing I have seen or read about the case would lead me to believe that the McCanns have been ruled out as suspects. Nothing whatsoever. Well, obviously Clarence Mitchell would want to say that - and he is paid huge sums of money to put stories and PR into the media.

Leonor Cipriano was tortured?! Well, she is a convicted child murderer and that does tend to happen in prison to those people who are convicted of murdering their children (the child was also probably sexually abused by Leonor's brother who she was having an incestuous relationship with - they were both dangerous, cruel and horrible people. The 8 year old who was murdered was treated like a slave - there was woeful neglect.)

Yes, I can see why there are people who would want to throw dirt onto Amaral - after all, child murderers are not exactly known for their integrity - and those who defend them - well, that must be a strange world to be in.....


And, back to basics - Kate KNEW straight away that it was an abduction - but abduction had been the one thing that they had not worried about - not at all. They are quoted as saying: 'it's so rare...it was the last thing on our minds.....if we had thought that they were at risk <from an abduction> we would not have done what we did.....

So why, given it was the 'last thing on their minds' did it suddenly become 'the first thing on their minds'.......

The manager of the resort put the 'missing child' operation into process and was operating on the assumption that Madeleine would be found - so clearly children have gone missing before. And usually they are found.

As for remaining calm when your child goes missing - yes, on the few times one of my children went missing I remained exceptionally calm. I was entirely focused on where they might have gone and I realized I had to act fast and decisively.

There is no way I would have done what Kate McCann did - leave the other children unattended (if I thought it had been an abduction) then not sought to wake up the twins and assess their safety.

The whole thing stinks.

[Lyall]

And what they will do if they don't find anything. Give up or look elsewhere?

>@@(*&) I don't know jassi. Up to the PM/Home Sec/Rebekah Brooks again?

[jassi]

Not sure that the first two will be in power by then and the third may be a convicted criminal